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Larniavc

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I said 15 and 15 adds up to 30. I just gave you a picture of the 15 medical degrees. LIke I said I gave the ones on hypnosis to the historical society. Not that any of this matters for anything. I come from a very respectable family. If you want to show disrespect for respectable people than that is on you not me. You will reap what you sow and you will be treated the way you treat others.
My father had 15 degrees and certificates in hypnosis. I gave them to the historical society. He could hypnotise a whole audience. He hypnotised my whole school once. Except for me because as you say, it is all make believe. He also had 16 medical degrees and certificates,
You are correct. 60 is inaccurate and my error. But the fact remains that 30 degrees at (at least) 3 years a pop is 90 years. Simply impossible.

The respectability of your family has nothing to do with the accuracy of your claims.
 
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You are correct. 60 is inaccurate and my error. But the fact remains that 30 degrees at (at least) 3 years a pop is 90 years. Simply impossible.
I already showed you a picture of them. Do you want a better picture? I could maybe figure out a way to photograph them all at once.
 
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I already showed you a picture of them. Do you want a better picture? I could maybe figure out a way to photograph them all at once.
How do you cram in a minimum 45 years for the 15 degrees and at least that again for the medical degrees?

Each degree is THREE YEARS LONG. And then the medical degrees are even longer. There is not enough time in a human life span to do what you say.
 
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You will reap what you sow and you will be treated the way you treat others.
That sounds pretty accurate. My wisdom and even handed decision making is known and respected throughout the land.
 
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How do you cram in a minimum 45 years for the 15 degrees and at least that again for the medical degrees?
You really have a reading and comprehension problem. I said degrees and certificates. I should also add proclamations. He is a member of the American, State and County Medical Society. So there is three right there. He has a proclamation from the governor and the mayor and the president of the university. There is another three. There are three group photos from different schools. then there is a middle school degree, high school degree, college degree, medical school degree, physiology, medical license, hospital privileges for five hospital, then the hospital staff certificates. Then if you read the obituary there were many, many organizations that he was president, chairman or presided over. Then of course you have certifices from the military. Of course you have intern and resident. Sometimes certificates are called Official recognition.

I remember when I was sitting in his office waiting for him when he was with a patient I would read all the certificates he had on the wall. There were a lot of them. The walls were covered with them and I am sure there were a lot more that did not get framed and hanged. So when you start adding all of this stuff up it can be quite a bit. For example when you retire after serving your city for 50 years you get a certificate from the mayor. There are times when you get a proclamation from the president of the united states. My grandmother got one when she was 100. My brothers would send a letter to a mayor or governor and they would send back a proclamation. Also my dad was well known for sending letters and he had the autograph's of many famous people Like Dr Spock and Dr Fraud who wrote books. My brother got a lot of that stuff because he is a doctor so my dad thought he could relate to it. There was on government document that had many signature's that must have been worth 50 ot 60 thousand dollars. Plus he had two sets of all the president signature's and documents. That was his hobby and his investment. Good no one ever stole any of it. Actually I am glad he gave that stuff to my brother so I do not have to take care of it. Even your family can give you certificates of recognition for being a good grandfather or something like that. I had a program on my computer at one time I could make up certificates. So when you get up to fifty or sixty you could maybe claim they do not mean much or they are not worth the paper they are printed on. I know a guy who calls himself a bishop. Turns out he admitted he paid $35 for a certificate that calls him a bishop. We put on a marriage seminar with a guy who also called himself a bishop. But not of any official certified organization.

So that is the difference between what is certified and what is not certified. Even though the non certified organizations still call it a certificate. The Bible school I went to was a certified college. You could transfer your credits to the public university and they would become a part of your permanent record. The students use to go to the Bible college for their electives. My son was taking classes at four different colleges when he was in High School. The state gave him up to $30,000 for tuition.

So there are five medical hospitals where he had certificates for permission to practice and being on the staff. Or all the different committees he presided over as chairman or whatever. It just all adds up and there are a lot of them. That does not even get into the degrees from seminars for things like hypnotism from various foundations. Even the state requires a doctor to keep current and continue to take classes. He use to get presentations on real to real tape before they came out with cassettes. He never got into computers and DVDs but now you can take a classes on the internet. Even classes from major universities record their lectures, harvard, yale and so on.

People can complain to the various medical boards but they do not always respond. For example the board will not investigate complaints about billing disputes, insurance disputes, personality clashes, or poor bedside manner. Still the doctor will receive a letter to put on file that there was a complaint.
 
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I said degrees and certificates. I should also add proclamations.
Ah, well I have about 90 of those as I suppose many people have. Not a particularly impressive claim. Certainly not worth getting bent out of shape about.
 
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Certainly not worth getting bent out of shape about.
Yes I do not know why you got bent out of shape about it. It is funny though with all the certificates, degrees and diplomas my dad had and I never got any. Even you claim that you have over 90 of them. I know my son got at last 40 or 50 going through the public school system. There are times when you are required to have a letter of recognition. My brother for example applied to West Point just to see if he could get accepted and he needed a letter of recognition from our elected official. When my wife applied for her visa she had to get a certificate from the police in Hong Kong and another from the police in the Philippines. But I use to read job applications for a company I worked for and there are people who are doing good just to put down a phone number and a name. A friend of mine says some people do not even give you a phone number or a way to contact them. If people go to a doctor they want references, referrals and recommendations. Doctors will wine and dine each other to get them to send patients their way. There had to be a reason why doctors hang all that stuff up on the wall in their office.
 
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Re. miracles: Spontaneous remission of malignancy is not that uncommon. We all have cell-mediated immunity by recruiting T lymphocytes. Specifically, these so called "Killer" T cells act to destroy cancer cells. Why all malignant cells aren't removed naturally is due to some cancer cells' ability to block the action of killer T cells. But in any case, recovery from a life threatening injury or illness doesn't qualify as miraculous. There are way too many variables involved. Here's a much better paradigm to test if prayer can invoke a miracle:

A large glass container is filled with water and a highly sensitive thermometer. It's placed in a hermetically sealed room with another sensitive thermometer and a viewing window. The water temp and the room air temp are left to equilibrate. Then a group of people are asked to pray for several hours that the water will get hotter and eventually come to a boil, while the air in the room gets colder. Of course, the null hypothesis is that nothing will happen. But if the water temp becomes measurably warmer, while the air temp in the room gets cooler, that would be reversal of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Which states that heat energy--with no intervention--always flows downhill from a region of higher to one of lower temperature. Reversing that would be a true miracle.
 
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Reversing that would be a true miracle.

It would be a true miracle, but don't count on science acknowledging it as such.

I'm convinced that if Jesus came back and walked into a hospital and instantly healed everyone, the common people would be shouting AMEN!, while the academic crowd would be shouting AWAY WITH HIM!

Especially those who stood to lose money because of it.
 
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I'm convinced that if Jesus came back and walked into a hospital and instantly healed everyone, the common people would be shouting AMEN!, while the academic crowd would be shouting AWAY WITH HIM!
Why hasn’t Jesus done that already? What’s he waiting for?
 
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Why hasn’t Jesus done that already? What’s he waiting for?
Jesus is not waiting for anything. That is our job to do that. I would not be alive talking to you right now If my wife and son had not prayed for me. When I came out of a coma the doctors told my wife to prepare for the worst. She was there the whole time by my side. (As long as her phone has a connection) They were going to send me to rehab because I jump around but my brother said I have always been that way. So they sent me home. I came out of the hospital because Christian prayed for me. I personally think the nurses have a gift of healing and they know how to pray for people for recovery.
 
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Awfully vague. Got any idea of what would be the right time for Jesus to miraculously heal all those sick folks suffering in hospitals?

Sorry.

I'm not Harold Camping.
 
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