Miracles & Healings

[Ace777]

Heat discharge and 'aura' are not the same thing.

Heat, energy whatever it is a camera and it photographs something.
Do you have one, are you an expert on the subject?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Heat, energy whatever it is a camera and it photographs something.
Do you have one, are you an expert on the subject?

If it photographs heat, then it's definitively not an aura and therefore is false advertising.

You don't need to be an expert to figure that out.

 

[Ace777]

You said that.

No I did not. YOU people like to make stuff up as you go along and waste everyone's time. People need to learn how to be more productive in life. We are here to build up not tear down. During the tribulation period there will be plenty of opportunity to tear the world apart and destroy it. When people use nuclear weapons to destroy each other.

 

[Ace777]

If it photographs heat, then it's definitively not an aura and therefore is false advertising.

You don't need to be an expert to figure that out.

You can do your own research and decide for yourself. You are not interested in anything I have to say.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You can do your own research and decide for yourself. You are not interested in anything I have to say.

I've done my research. Aura is bunk and anyone trying to sell you an 'aura camera' is a con-man.

 

[Ace777]

I've done my research.

Good glad to hear it, so you do not need my help. You can decide for yourself based on your own research

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Good glad to hear it, so you do not need my help. You can decide for yourself based on your own research

I have decided. It's bunk. You spouting nonsense has no bearing on it at all.

 

[jayem]

Then you need to buy a kirlian camera. That is able to photograph to see the healing energy.

This is were you REALLY need to pray to pick up the pieces and clean up the mess that the medical personal make. From what we call complications.

Doctors help who doctors are able to help. The church helps who they are able to help and they do NOT get in each others way at all. Everyone does their part. God does work though people. View attachment 352573

Jesus did have a reconstructive miracle from a withered limb. We do believe in reconstructive miracles. Esp when you have a situation where there is a chance to save a limb without having to amputate. There was also the case of where Jesus was able to heal the ear that was cut off.

Doctors call miracles spontaneous remission. They know that 3% are going to improve and get better. My chance of survival at one time was less than 1%. Yet here i am still alive. Actually when the fire department had to use a defibrillator to get my heart going I was told they can only do that 1 in 1200. 20 years later here I am still alive. Even though only one in 1200 survive. Of course that is only 10 minutes of not getting any blood to the brain. You know that at 20 minutes then it basically becomes impossible.

Theoretically, limb regeneration might be possible. Consider the octopus. If a predator bites off one its arms, it can regrow. The genes that code for arm development and growth--which are turned off in the adult animal--can be turned back on. Our genome has the 4-limb mammalian version of those same genes. But they're turned off in adulthood. If a way can be found to turn them back on, then regrowth of an amputated limb is a possibility. But that wouldn't be a miracle in the religious sense. It would just be a very creative use of biology.

 

[Ace777]

Theoretically, limb regeneration might be possible.

That happened in Florida. I picked up a lizard by the tail to throw him out of the house and his tail fell off. I felt really bad but they told me that the tail would grow back. So it maybe the exception to the rule that people are not able to regenerate themselves in that way.

Of course he is talking about a limb that is so mangled they can not save it. But even a severed limb can be put back. I got my finger caught in a bicycle and my dad was able to sow it back on again as mangled as it was. Of course not all doctors are as good as he was. So they may not all be able to do what he did.

Miracles are still happening to day if people want to accept that or not. There are two people in the world. The ones that say nothing is a miracle and the once who say everything is a miracle. Our perception of reality may be out of wack. It may look like it can not be done when it turns out it can be done. All the time people are saying it can not be done when it can be. Look at Musk, he was able to land a rocket. NO one even tried to do that before.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Your article makes a lot of claims that I am not making. It us just another strawman like everything else on here. People give off different colors and those colors are usually associated with something. I do not HAVE to prove that healing is a gift because the Bible says we are all given gifts. So that is all the evidence we need if you see that or not.

I really wish you knew what these general arguments and fallacies you keep levying on the rest of us were. Kirilian photography is fraudulent. It isn't real.

1 Cor …8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits,

There maybe people in the health care profession that DO NOT have the gift of healing. But common sense will tell us that most people DO have that gift and that is WHY they are doing that for a living.

This has nothing to do with the topic of this board. It is a religious, not a scientific claim.

It does not matter who is and who is not a fraud. The placebo effect has been proven on every study that has ever been done. IT IS THE STANDARD that we go by> THERE IS NO QUESTION that the placebo effect is effective in healing people

Placebo effects are known, but they are not evidence of any kind of spirit healing.

 

[Neogaia777]

Luke 16:31 (NKJV): 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

The real truth is, is that we already had not just Jesus, but many followers of his, doing all kinds of miracles and healings (and signs and wonders and deliverances) back then. And what was it's effect then, etc? Because the real truth is, is that none of the miracles and healings (and deliverances and signs and wonders) never really did anything back then, etc. Not in a way that would stand the test of time anyway. And also, the miracles and healings (and signs and wonders) were not really the point even, even way back then really, etc.

He did not say that the effect that the miracles and healings (and signs and wonders) had on people would not pass away (because he knew they would) but that it would only be his teaching that would have an everlasting effect permanently, etc. So focusing too much on them, causes you to be missing the point entirely, etc. What was most important was his teaching, etc. And regardless of whether anyone would heed it or not, it would still always and eternally be always right forever, and would/will outlast everything, etc. Even this whole entire creations being completely done away with, and/or passing away, or completely ending, etc. But the effect of the signs, or that the signs have, always passes away. And it usually only takes a couple of generations at that, before the effect of them passes away, etc. Which is nothing compared to a teaching that will stand/last for all eternity, etc.

And all those people that were healed or whatever in this way, could not only very easily be undone again, but death itself still catches up with everyone eventually, so it was really not at all about any of the signs or wonders really, but they were all pretty much unimportant, and might have even been done flippantly, but were most definitely secondary, and maybe even very much more less than secondary, etc.

People always like to say they'd believe if they saw anything like that easily, but that is not even anywhere close to the real truth really, etc, and God and Jesus knew/already knows this already. I know you may not believe in a book like Judges, because too many generations have now passed for that really, but how many times did God in the OT keep on supernaturally delivering them over and over and over again continually? They would start out delivered/fully believing in and following God, and walking in His ways, but then after just one or two generations, would get themselves back into trouble again (disobedience/sin) and have to see signs and wonders and/or be supernaturally delivered again, and then over and over and over again continually, etc.

So you see, signs and wonders are never a permanent solution, but the only thing that ever stood a chance like that, would only be some very, very revolutionary moral and behavioral teaching, etc.

I think God in the OT/Holy Spirit in the NT, is only where this kind of power can ever come from completely, and maybe after what he tried to do in the OT, and then later on with Jesus, maybe after Jesus, it really all was 100% genuinely and truly "finished" completely, and after that, God that was in the OT, and is the Holy Spirit in the NT, no longer saw a very good reason to maybe do or perform them anymore after that maybe, etc. What Jesus did, completely defeated the Holy Spirit's enemy the Devil (Satan), and conquered sin and death once and for all and forever, but would just need to take some time to come to it's full fulfillment, etc. But God the Spirit "saw it" after what Jesus did finally, whereas He couldn't fully see it before, but now that He could now "see it", etc, it means is was for sure 100% successful, 100% completely.

So we are "post" all of that now, the signs and wonders stage I mean maybe. And due to God's perspective on it now, and maybe everything now, maybe He just isn't in the business of doing them like He once was anymore now completely, etc.

We saw what happened back then with the world and with all of this/these being done for sure, etc, and a bunch of them, and a bunch of different kinds of ones, everything that was undeniably impossible, right in front of their face, etc, and how did the world react back then? Well, they crucified our Risen Lord, etc. So do you really think it would ever be any different today? Cause it wouldn't. It was tried a bunch of different times long, long before Jesus already, and it never proved successful, or even ever very lasting, 100% of the time, 100% completely.

Now, some say that we might see things like this get resurrected right before the very end of the 6th day someday, and we might see some of that maybe, etc. But just don't ever expect the world to ever repent, or ever truly change because of it ever completely. Because our book says most of them won't, etc, but will just rally at or against God, and/or get angry, etc.

Most of your's mistake, is in thinking the world is in any way different today.

God Bless.

And for all those individuals who say they'd most certainly believe if a real miracle was done right in front of their face!

To those of you who would say that, I say, no, you wouldn't believe if a real miracle was done right in front of your face, not if it's going to hold you accountable to judgement, which is the problem a lot of people will have with it in the end times, or in the very last days.

Faith, is what God is looking for in the very last days, and if a miracle holds you accountable to judgement, it will mean you had no faith during those last days, etc.

John 20:29 (NKJV): "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Luke 18:8 (NKJV): "Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

God Bless.

Also why Jesus was doing the miracles, (besides them being about him spreading the word about his teachings that would never die, etc), but another reason why Jesus was doing the miracles, (and because it was quite literally nothing for him, etc, a.k.a., doing a miracle, etc), but the other reason he was doing it/them (miracles) was to find the people with "great faith", or enough faith for him to do a miracle, etc. So that he could stand in awe and wonder of them, etc, instead of it always being the other way around, etc. Which was nothing for him, or to him, etc, a.k.a., doing a miracle, etc. But a person with enough faith for him to do something that he hadn't already previously fully done yet and/or before, now that was the true miracle, etc. And Jesus knew this, etc, and it was a big huge part of why he was doing miracles, etc.

We misunderstand the point of miracles, etc.

God Bless.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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