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Dispy

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This is for you Mid Acts guys and gals...

If I understand correctly, the synoptic gospels are for the Kingdom but does Christ ever reference the Church of this age? i.e. John 14:16, are the "sheep not of this fold" a reference to gentiles?

God Bless

I too believe you are referring to John 10:16.

At the time Jesus ministered on the earth Israel was split in two. the 10 northern tribes resided in Samaria, and the two southern tribes were in Judea where Jesus and the 12 ministered.

In Matt. 10:6 Jesus commanded that His disciples to not go the the land of the Samaritans.

Ezekiel 36:16 - 37 restoration of Israel and again make them one nation.

In John 10:16 the "other sheep" are the 10 northern tribes in Samaria. The "other sheep" are not the Gentiles.

Jesus commanded His disciples not to go the the Gentiles.

It was after the resurrection that He gave the "so called" great commission to go the the nations.

The disciples were instructed to teach "the gospel of the kingdom", i.e. the kingdom at hand.

Being Israel rejected their King and His kingdom, God gave Israel temporary slumbering eyes (Rom. 11:7-12, 25), raised up Saul/Paul to usher in this present dispensation of Grace, to preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, i.e. the gospel of the Grace of God, which had been kept secret since the world began.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Yes, sorry John 10:16 is what I meant....Thanks Dispy, was thinking in that direction as well. We went over this verse Sunday and it was preached from the viewpoint that the "sheep not of this fold" as gentiles. I was trying to look read it from a Mid-Acts viewpoint but wanted to be sure.
 
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I too believe you are referring to John 10:16.

At the time Jesus ministered on the earth Israel was split in two. the 10 northern tribes resided in Samaria, and the two southern tribes were in Judea where Jesus and the 12 ministered.

In Matt. 10:6 Jesus commanded that His disciples to not go the the land of the Samaritans.

Ezekiel 36:16 - 37 restoration of Israel and again make them one nation.

In John 10:16 the "other sheep" are the 10 northern tribes in Samaria. The "other sheep" are not the Gentiles.

Jesus commanded His disciples not to go the the Gentiles.

It was after the resurrection that He gave the "so called" great commission to go the the nations.

The disciples were instructed to teach "the gospel of the kingdom", i.e. the kingdom at hand.

Being Israel rejected their King and His kingdom, God gave Israel temporary slumbering eyes (Rom. 11:7-12, 25), raised up Saul/Paul to usher in this present dispensation of Grace, to preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, i.e. the gospel of the Grace of God, which had been kept secret since the world began.

Hope this is helpful.

Brother Stam would be proud.
 
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Matthew 28:
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Some questions worth seeking clear answers to...

Why are the above never depicted in the Book of Acts baptizing in the name of all Three - of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?

Why, if they were sent to all nations, did Peter and the Eleven not even "keep company with," let alone, Peter does not go to the Gentiles until instructed to in Acts 10 (c.f. Acts 11)?

Why did they remain under the Law even after Peter's declared understanding at Acts 15 that they too "shall be saved by grace"?

Acts 21:
18. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21. And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
23. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24. Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

For that matter, what is Paul doing keeping the Law? Doesn't that make him as guilty of "dissimulation" as he found Peter being at Antioch, per Galatians 2?

Danoh
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I too believe you are referring to John 10:16.

At the time Jesus ministered on the earth Israel was split in two. the 10 northern tribes resided in Samaria, and the two southern tribes were in Judea where Jesus and the 12 ministered.

In Matt. 10:6 Jesus commanded that His disciples to not go the the land of the Samaritans.

Ezekiel 36:16 - 37 restoration of Israel and again make them one nation.

In John 10:16 the "other sheep" are the 10 northern tribes in Samaria. The "other sheep" are not the Gentiles.

Jesus commanded His disciples not to go the the Gentiles.

It was after the resurrection that He gave the "so called" great commission to go the the nations.

The disciples were instructed to teach "the gospel of the kingdom", i.e. the kingdom at hand.

Being Israel rejected their King and His kingdom, God gave Israel temporary slumbering eyes (Rom. 11:7-12, 25), raised up Saul/Paul to usher in this present dispensation of Grace, to preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, i.e. the gospel of the Grace of God, which had been kept secret since the world began.

Hope this is helpful.

Nicely put, Dispy!

Danoh
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BigD said:
I too believe you are referring to John 10:16.

At the time Jesus ministered on the earth Israel was split in two. the 10 northern tribes resided in Samaria, and the two southern tribes were in Judea where Jesus and the 12 ministered.

In Matt. 10:6 Jesus commanded that His disciples to not go the the land of the Samaritans.

Ezekiel 36:16 - 37 restoration of Israel and again make them one nation.

In John 10:16 the "other sheep" are the 10 northern tribes in Samaria. The "other sheep" are not the Gentiles.

Jesus commanded His disciples not to go the the Gentiles.

It was after the resurrection that He gave the "so called" great commission to go the the nations.

The disciples were instructed to teach "the gospel of the kingdom", i.e. the kingdom at hand.

Being Israel rejected their King and His kingdom, God gave Israel temporary slumbering eyes (Rom. 11:7-12, 25), raised up Saul/Paul to usher in this present dispensation of Grace, to preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, i.e. the gospel of the Grace of God, which had been kept secret since the world began.

Hope this is helpful.

Brother Stam would be proud.

THANKS for you kind remark. I feel humbled by that.

It was Pastor Stam is the one that introduced me to the mid-Acts dispensational position, and I could never thank him enough. Prior to hearing my first dispensational message delivered by him, I had been unchurched for about 15 years. He made Bible reading more understandable.
 
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This is for you Mid Acts guys and gals...

If I understand correctly, the synoptic gospels are for the Kingdom but does Christ ever reference the Church of this age? i.e. John 14:16, are the "sheep not of this fold" a reference to gentiles?

God Bless

I suggest to you that you again read the Book of Genesis, and the Edenic account especially. Know that God created mankind to having a relationship with Him. God did not create two "mankinds." God is not a racist as some here would have you believe. He does not separate based on race or real estate.

Christ's physical reign over His one people will be consummated with the new heavens and new Earth and He will reign from the New Jerusalem.
 
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I suggest to you that you again read the Book of Genesis, and the Edenic account especially. Know that God created mankind to having a relationship with Him. God did not create two "mankinds." God is not a racist as some here would have you believe. He does not separate based on race or real estate.

Christ's physical reign over His one people will be consummated with the new heavens and new Earth and He will reign from the New Jerusalem.

Well, you have noted that you are not Dispensational, thus your erroneous conclusion about this racism issue you arw going on about. Of course, feell free to be more specific.

Danoh
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Nicely put, Dispy!

Danoh
Eph. 4:16


Hi , and the " other sheep " are not the SAMARITANS as Matt 9:5 reveals , and that was almost 2000 tears ago .

#1 , The Context is still Israel in John .

#2 , So , it is obviously not Gentiles .

#3 , There are 5 verb tenses in this verse 16 , " I have/ECHO and ARE , are in the Present Tense .

#4 " They shall hear " and " there shall be " is in the Future Tense and thses are all Jews that are saved in the Great Tribulation and then are Kings and Priests in the Millennium , Rev 1:6

These are the " other sheep "..

dan p
 
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