Michael Knowles demands a retraction, and gets it.

[Ana the Ist]

Bathrooms - who is “we” making the determination of who looks enough like a male to enter the men’s room and who looks enough like female to enter a women’s room. What happens to people who are in the process of transitioning and are in the uncanny valley that the “we” thinks they aren’t enough for either? What is the recluse against the “we” if they actually make the wrong determination? As in what if ”we” determine someone born a female that has never even thought of transitioning to male doesn’t look like she belongs in a female room?

"We" don't have to make any such determination. Everyone knows whatever they are born as. If someone chooses to use the wrong restroom....that's on them. They can face the consequences of their actions should they encounter any.

Locker rooms - same question as the bathrooms apply, what happens to people who are in the uncanny valley or what if the “we” make the absolutely wrong determination? Now if someone gets naked that is very unlikely but not everyone who goes into the locker room will necessarily get naked for a variety of legitimate reasons.

See above.

Women’s sports needs more studying on the best practices for inter grating transgendered athletes but this a lot more overblown than people make it to be. There is such a low number of transgender athletes, the ones that do exist rarely are good enough to affect anything significant.

Women should play in women's sports.

Education - what is magical about the age of 12? Why then and not before. It would behoove children to learn this stuff before puberty and 12 is too late for a lot of children.

Too late for what?

Lying actually hurts children by giving them a false notion about how the world works.

No one is trying to harm children except the ones that deliberately try to confuse them regarding gender before puberty.

In the end this won’t matter because your side is going to lose.

I wouldn't bet on that.

Transgender people do exist, they are not mentally ill, it is a biological reality.

Then why are they suicidal? Why do they seek medical intervention? What is the problem they suffer from if not something mental?

Transgender are not going back into the closet, and society is going to accept them into it with open arms.

Yeah nobody objects to transpeople doing whatever they want after 18.

The Zoomers aren’t going to take transphobia kindly,

No offense, but people increasingly don't seem to give a fig what Zoomers think about anything.

too many of them are openly transgender.

Many of them are just openly narcissistic.

They aren’t going to accept you making life difficult for their peers.

They kind of have to if they want to live in a democratic pluralistic society. We all are entitled to our own opinions.

Have your hysterical ravings, in the end your choices are to lose or commit genocide. And committing genocide is going to ensure you get to sit next to Nazis in the annals of history. Choose wisely.

Funny you should mention nazis since they were one of the political movements that embraced mass sterilization of children around 100 years ago according to a scientific theory known as "eugenics". Fun fact, there's a stronger scientific basis for eugenics than your "gender theory".

Regardless, it's an apt comparison because while I used to imagine nazis as some evil group of people who enjoyed hurting others, I now realize it makes more sense to imagine them as simple idiots, swept up in the political rhetoric of their time, imagining they were doing something good and just for their people.

 

[Ana the Ist]

All excellent points. But the age problem is something I want to mention briefly again.

Nobody is going to deny that sex and gender, which would include aspects of being transgender, are being taught in schools. I fully support that. Appropriate to the age and as far as I am concerned, if it's age appropriate, there effectively is no age limit. There would be no point in discussing matters which wouldn't make sense at a particular age but no questions are off limits.

I specifically asked for an example of a curriculum item earlier because I'm up to the back teeth of generic rants and it's-oh-all-so-terrible, won't-someone-please-think-of-the-children comments. So at the third or fourth time of asking @rjs330 supplied one. I guess it was the worst example he could find as he had plenty of time to look. And what was it? Part of a curriculum that discussed puberty. And in passing happened to mention, in 2 short sentences, that gender didn't necessarily align with sex.

That was a simple explanation of what happens to most people. And an explanation that sometimes medical help is needed to correct that. And that was what everyone is getting excited about?

I think this is more the problem...

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

And this...

NorCal mother alleges teachers manipulated child to change gender identity

A mother who claims teachers secretly manipulated her 11-year-old daughter into changing her gender identity and name has filed a legal case against a tiny California school district. Spreckels Uni…

www.google.com

And multiple other cases like them.

Oh and let's not forget those openly gay elementary school teachers aides caught with naughty pics...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kget.com/news/crime-watch/teachers-aide-charged-with-child-porn-possession-admitted-thinking-about-acting-on-urges-reports/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kget.com/news/crime-watch/teachers-aide-charged-with-child-porn-possession-admitted-thinking-about-acting-on-urges-reports/amp/

One might wonder why an elementary school teacher needs an aide anyway....let alone one that is known for talking to the students about being gay.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

"We" don't have to make any such determination. Everyone knows whatever they are born as. If someone chooses to use the wrong restroom....that's on them. They can face the consequences of their actions should they encounter any.

That’s not what @rjs330 was willing to compromise. They said if one transitioned they could go to the appopriate room for their new gender. My questions still stand. Also, what if someone guesses wrong. Does the legal system punish the transphobe who thought that woman was a man for disturbing the peace and possibly assault and battery.

See above.

See above.

Women should play in women's sports.

Trans women are women.

Too late for what?

Teaching kids puberty after several have gone through it is a little late. It’s like giving kids drivers ed after you let them drive. Better to teach them at a younger age before they experience it so they can understand what they are going through.

No one is trying to harm children except the ones that deliberately try to confuse them regarding gender before puberty.

Oh, so it’s not malevolence, it’s ignorance that is making people want to purposely hide information from children.

I wouldn't bet on that.

Don’t bet anything you can’t afford to lose.

Then why are they suicidal? Why do they seek medical intervention? What is the problem they suffer from if not something mental?

Maybe it has something to do with people calling them “monsters.” Parents telling them it’s all in their head, threatening to disown them if they come out. Possibly even threatening them with physical violence if they are transgender.

Yeah nobody objects to transpeople doing whatever they want after 18.

Except you, if they don’t use the room you want them to.

No offense, but people increasingly don't seem to give a fig what Zoomers think about anything.

Someday that generation will rule the population. Ignore the at your own peril.

Also, they are getting into their prime purchasing power years. Businesses will care. Not for any altruistic reason but money.

Many of them are just openly narcissistic.

No debate from me on that.

They kind of have to if they want to live in a democratic pluralistic society. We all are entitled to our own opinions.

Having an opinion is fine, making it a legal and societal position is a losing proposition. Transgender people are going to be accepted by society. Accept or spend the rest of your life mad.

Funny you should mention nazis since they were one of the political movements that embraced mass sterilization of children around 100 years ago according to a scientific theory known as "eugenics". Fun fact, there's a stronger scientific basis for eugenics than your "gender theory".

I went with Nazis as my example because they also targeted the LGBTQ community

Regardless, it's an apt comparison because while I used to imagine nazis as some evil group of people who enjoyed hurting others, I now realize it makes more sense to imagine them as simple idiots, swept up in the political rhetoric of their time, imagining they were doing something good and just for their people.

I mostly agree. I think some at the top were evil but most just got caught up in the wave. Just like the people against transgender people today. That’s why it is important to call it out immediately. To get people to stop and think when it is just words dehumanizing people and not actions. Most people will come to their senses if they stop and think for a second.

 

[rjs330]

Bathrooms - who is “we” making the determination of who looks enough like a male to enter the men’s room and who looks enough like female to enter a women’s room. What happens to people who are in the process of transitioning and are in the uncanny valley that the “we” thinks they aren’t enough for either? What is the recluse against the “we” if they actually make the wrong determination? As in what if ”we” determine someone born a female that has never even thought of transitioning to male doesn’t look like she belongs in a female room?

Locker rooms - same question as the bathrooms apply, what happens to people who are in the uncanny valley or what if the “we” make the absolutely wrong determination? Now if someone gets naked that is very unlikely but not everyone who goes into the locker room will necessarily get naked for a variety of legitimate reasons.

Women’s sports needs more studying on the best practices for inter grating transgendered athletes but this a lot more overblown than people make it to be. There is such a low number of transgender athletes, the ones that do exist rarely are good enough to affect anything significant.

Education - what is magical about the age of 12? Why then and not before. It would behoove children to learn this stuff before puberty and 12 is too late for a lot of children. I don’t understand what you get from keeping information from children. Unless you are planning on them dying in the near term future, they are going to find out. LGBTQ people exist in the world, that is a fact. Lying actually hurts children by giving them a false notion about how the world works. What are you actively trying to harm children? Will the anti-bully campaign and having compassion include teaching children not to use dehumanizing language about them like calling them monsters?

In the end this won’t matter because your side is going to lose. Transgender people do exist, they are not mentally ill, it is a biological reality. That hs been proven to you enough times that I am no longer going to entertain your delusions that it isn’t real any more than dishonest badgering. Transgender are not going back into the closet, and society is going to accept them into it with open arms. The Zoomers aren’t going to take transphobia kindly, too many of them are openly transgender. They aren’t going to accept you making life difficult for their peers.

Have your hysterical ravings, in the end your choices are to lose or commit genocide. And committing genocide is going to ensure you get to sit next to Nazis in the annals of history. Choose wisely.

See, the left brokers no compromise at all. It is all or nothing with you guys. Always has been.

You may not be aware of this but WE have always been able to ascertain the difference. What on earth did transgender people do before all of this demand for bathroom access and locker room access happened? Somehow they made it. I'm sure that they used the bathroom and no one knew the difference. I bet I was in the bathroom at some point with a transgender person and I didn't know. It's not like any of use were looking real hard to try and figure it out. I'm guessing the transgender folk are pretty good at looking enough like the sex they want to be that it just worked.

Contrary to popular leftist opinion WE were not making everyone drop their drawers to check out the plumbing before going in the bathroom.

If you looked enough like a dude your in. If you looked enough like a lady you were in. No questions asked.

It wasn't until Ragnar the Red wanted to use the lady's room that the debate started.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

See, the left brokers no compromise at all. It is all or nothing with you guys. Always has been.

I asked a few questions on how your bathroom compromise was going to work. If you are actually interested in compromise, I would think you would have answers for how what you are proposing would work. Compromise isn’t you suggesting something and the other side blindly agreeing.

You may not be aware of this but WE have always been able to ascertain the difference. What on earth did transgender people do before all of this demand for bathroom access and locker room access happened? Somehow they made it. I'm sure that they used the bathroom and no one knew the difference. I bet I was in the bathroom at some point with a transgender person and I didn't know. It's not like any of use were looking real hard to try and figure it out. I'm guessing the transgender folk are pretty good at looking enough like the sex they want to be that it just worked.

Risked being assaulted, lose their job, disowned by friends and family if they came out. They survived by suffering in silence. Was it fine that Christians had to hide who they were and meet in secret for a few centuries before Constantine? Should they should have had to continue to do that because they did and after all, they survived. NO. It was wrong they had to live that and it is wrong to continue because that’s how it’s always been. If we can do better, we owe it to everyone, those that came before, those here today, and those who come after to do better.

Contrary to popular leftist opinion WE were not making everyone drop their drawers to check out the plumbing before going in the bathroom.

If you looked enough like a dude your in. If you looked enough like a lady you were in. No questions asked.

I asked who was making this determination and what happens if they get it wrong. You fell to pieces because I didn’t immediately accept your compromise. It’s almost like I know that there are extremists that are looking to stand on your shoulders and shouldn’t let you give them that ability.

It wasn't until Ragnar the Red wanted to use the lady's room that the debate started.

Wasn’t a problem for you. Transgender people were disowned, fired, and assaulted for who they were long before you decided to try to make political gay out of their plight.

The upcoming generations are going to look at you the same way as those that stood against integration if you continue on your path.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That’s not what @rjs330 was willing to compromise. They said if one transitioned they could go to the appopriate room for their new gender.

He's entitled to his opinion. I have no idea what you mean by "new gender". I was under the impression that they couldn't change their gender.

My questions still stand.

So do my answers.

Trans women are women.

Then it's unclear what you mean by "women".

What is a woman?

Teaching kids puberty after several have gone through it is a little late.

Late for what?

You keep using that word like there's a timer counting down lol.

What is it too late for?

It’s like giving kids drivers ed after you let them drive.

It's nothing like that. I don't think kids should be having sex at 15...why would I want to teach them about it at 12?

Oh, so it’s not malevolence, it’s ignorance that is making people want to purposely hide information from children.

Kids too young to have sexual feelings don't really understand sexuality.

My dog doesn't understand quantum physics. It doesn't matter if you think telling him about it as a pup will change that.

Don’t bet anything you can’t afford to lose.

You can't define woman and think transgender people "change gender". If it's not apparent to everyone that you shouldn't be making decisions about the topic, it will be eventually.

Maybe it has something to do with people calling them “monsters.”

Boo hoo. As an atheist I've been called amoral and compared directly with swine on this website. Get some thicker skin.

Parents telling them it’s all in their head, threatening to disown them if they come out.

Clearly it is all in their head. Where else would it be?

Possibly even threatening them with physical violence if they are transgender.

Yeah I don't think you're going to find a lot I'd examples of that. Certainly not enough to make me think this is some national problem.

Except you, if they don’t use the room you want them to.

The room they're supposed to use.

I don't get to choose which restroom I'd like to use, nor which prison I feel safer in.

They aren't being denied some choice I have. They are being denied special privileges...which they don't deserve.

Someday that generation will rule the population. Ignore the at your own peril.

Well I doubt it. They will be a generation of failed Tik Tok and YouTube stars. They aren't into writing policy...they just whine about it.

Also, they are getting into their prime purchasing power years. Businesses will care. Not for any altruistic reason but money.

They are saddled with debt from useless degrees and fired from pointless jobs. When they learn they'll have to work a normal 9-5 or get accreditation as a plumber, I promise, they will have more practical concerns than making sure Steven can use the little girls room with their daughter.

You may not have noticed but the exact same generation that claims to support this stuff suddenly doesn't when they keep losing every swim/track meet to Micheal or when they prison cell doors shut with their new cell mate Burt.

It's precisely at the point when they realize this affects them and its a horrible idea that their support disappears.

Having an opinion is fine, making it a legal and societal position is a losing proposition.

What do you think a pluralistic democracy is?

Transgender people are going to be accepted by society. Accept or spend the rest of your life mad.

I hate to break it to you, but they did a survey of college age students in Canada (you know, ultra-progressive Canada that throws people in jail for being mean to trans people) and guess what they learned?

Almost no one wants a trans person as a long term partner? That's right....basically 1% of hetero people, a thin minority of homosexual people, and only a slightly bigger group of trans people would accept a trans person as a long term partner.

Now, that's your early college going age students in a very pro-trans progressive nation. Even in those places, your average trans person will age out of the dating market and die....alone.

It may be 20 or even 30 years from now...but eventually, this fad will become a sad lonely existence for many people and seem like far less an attractive option to the younger generations than it does now.

Once that happens...I expect a lot of the support will dry up along with it.

I went with Nazis as my example because they also targeted the LGBTQ community

It works....they also supported the sterilization of children.

I mostly agree. I think some at the top were evil but most just got caught up in the wave. Just like the people against transgender people today.

I have nothing against transgender people. What you want to do with your body as an adult is your decision.

To get people to stop and think when it is just words dehumanizing people and not actions.

What's a woman again?

Most people will come to their senses if they stop and think for a second.

I can only hope so.

 

[rjs330]

Bathrooms - who is “we” making the determination of who looks enough like a male to enter the men’s room and who looks enough like female to enter a women’s room. What happens to people who are in the process of transitioning and are in the uncanny valley that the “we” thinks they aren’t enough for either? What is the recluse against the “we” if they actually make the wrong determination? As in what if ”we” determine someone born a female that has never even thought of transitioning to male doesn’t look like she belongs in a female room?

Locker rooms - same question as the bathrooms apply, what happens to people who are in the uncanny valley or what if the “we” make the absolutely wrong determination? Now if someone gets naked that is very unlikely but not everyone who goes into the locker room will necessarily get naked for a variety of legitimate reasons.

Women’s sports needs more studying on the best practices for inter grating transgendered athletes but this a lot more overblown than people make it to be. There is such a low number of transgender athletes, the ones that do exist rarely are good enough to affect anything significant.

Education - what is magical about the age of 12? Why then and not before. It would behoove children to learn this stuff before puberty and 12 is too late for a lot of children. I don’t understand what you get from keeping information from children. Unless you are planning on them dying in the near term future, they are going to find out. LGBTQ people exist in the world, that is a fact. Lying actually hurts children by giving them a false notion about how the world works. What are you actively trying to harm children? Will the anti-bully campaign and having compassion include teaching children not to use dehumanizing language about them like calling them monsters?

In the end this won’t matter because your side is going to lose. Transgender people do exist, they are not mentally ill, it is a biological reality. That hs been proven to you enough times that I am no longer going to entertain your delusions that it isn’t real any more than dishonest badgering. Transgender are not going back into the closet, and society is going to accept them into it with open arms. The Zoomers aren’t going to take transphobia kindly, too many of them are openly transgender. They aren’t going to accept you making life difficult for their peers.

Have your hysterical ravings, in the end your choices are to lose or commit genocide. And committing genocide is going to ensure you get to sit next to Nazis in the annals of history. Choose wisely.

Umm no it hasn't been proven to be a biological reality. Where in earth did you get that idea?

Of course they exist. What ever gave you the idea that we think they don't. We certainly wouldn't be saying it was a mental health issue if we thought they don't exist.

Monsters? I don't believe I ever called them monsters. I certainly wouldn't be talking about not bullying them if I thought they were monsters. You make no sense.

It's the transactivists that are actually harming children with their drugs and desires to chip off kids perfectly healthy body parts. THOSE are the monsters. The kids are the victims of the monsters.

Lol, let me see you said my choic s were to lose or commit genocide and ensure I get to sit next to Hitler.

And you call me hysterical?

You are too much!

 

[rjs330]

What's to deny? That's part of an item that discusses changes at puberty and how it generally aligns ones gender with ones sex. Which seems entirely appropriate for kids about to experience it. It's not specifically about transgenderism in any way and there's only a couple of sentence that mention that some people take medical advice as a means to align the changes to their gender. Which it neither promotes nor rejects.

Seeing that you can't grasp that sex and gender are two different things, this must be a complete mystery to you.

And you questioned that it was being taught in school. Glad you recognize that now.

 

[rjs330]

I asked a few questions on how your bathroom compromise was going to work. If you are actually interested in compromise, I would think you would have answers for how what you are proposing would work. Compromise isn’t you suggesting something and the other side blindly agreeing.



Risked being assaulted, lose their job, disowned by friends and family if they came out. They survived by suffering in silence. Was it fine that Christians had to hide who they were and meet in secret for a few centuries before Constantine? Should they should have had to continue to do that because they did and after all, they survived. NO. It was wrong they had to live that and it is wrong to continue because that’s how it’s always been. If we can do better, we owe it to everyone, those that came before, those here today, and those who come after to do better.



I asked who was making this determination and what happens if they get it wrong. You fell to pieces because I didn’t immediately accept your compromise. It’s almost like I know that there are extremists that are looking to stand on your shoulders and shouldn’t let you give them that ability.



Wasn’t a problem for you. Transgender people were disowned, fired, and assaulted for who they were long before you decided to try to make political gay out of their plight.

The upcoming generations are going to look at you the same way as those that stood against integration if you continue on your path.

And I gave you the answer. Look like a man and use the man's bathroom like it always has been. Look like a woman and use the woman's bathroom just like it always has been.

It worked. Leave it alone. I wasn't demanding they prove their sex by whipping out their genitals.

Mine is a perfectly reasonable position. The position that says you can look like a dude and use the lady's room cause you want to is the unreasonable position. It would be unreasonable for me to demand you use the bathroom of your biological sex regardless of what you looked like. If you were a biological man, but looked like a woman, it wouldn't be reasonable for me to expect you to use the men's room. Everyone would really look at you funny and you would be more likely to be assaulted.

No transgender people should not be assaulted.

You see you prove my point. I am willing to back down from use the sex of your birth bathroom to appearance based. But you are not willing to budge at all. This is why you leftists can't be compromised with. You won't allow it.

 

[rjs330]

I think this is more the problem...

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

And this...

NorCal mother alleges teachers manipulated child to change gender identity

A mother who claims teachers secretly manipulated her 11-year-old daughter into changing her gender identity and name has filed a legal case against a tiny California school district. Spreckels Uni…

www.google.com

And multiple other cases like them.

Oh and let's not forget those openly gay elementary school teachers aides caught with naughty pics...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kg...d-thinking-about-acting-on-urges-reports/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kg...d-thinking-about-acting-on-urges-reports/amp/

One might wonder why an elementary school teacher needs an aide anyway....let alone one that is known for talking to the students about being gay.

There is also this video indicating what teachers are doing.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Umm no it hasn't been proven to be a biological reality. Where in earth did you get that idea?
Of course they exist. What ever gave you the idea that we think they don't. We certainly wouldn't be saying it was a mental health issue if we thought they don't exist.

Sure, and next you are going to tell me my headache is because my four humors are out of balance.

Monsters? I don't believe I ever called them monsters. I certainly wouldn't be talking about not bullying them if I thought they were monsters. You make no sense.

You should check Post #73 of this thread.

It's the transactivists that are actually harming children with their drugs and desires to chip off kids perfectly healthy body parts. THOSE are the monsters. The kids are the victims of the monsters.

So now you are using dehumanizing language toward me. I’m warning you, this a bad path to go down. This is how a good person like you can start rationalizing that killing me is fine because you no longer see me as human.

Lol, let me see you said my choic s were to lose or commit genocide and ensure I get to sit next to Hitler.

And you call me hysterical?

You are too much!

Those are your choices. You are never going to be successful at getting transgender people to go back to the existence they had where they had to hide in the shadows to not bruise your delicate sensibilities. Too many people no longer fear identifying as transgender and too many people know transgender people now to let you do it. So you can except defeat or start killing transgender people.

 

[rjs330]

Sure, and next you are going to tell me my headache is because my four humors are out of balance.



You should check Post #73 of this thread.



So now you are using dehumanizing language toward me. I’m warning you, this a bad path to go down. This is how a good person like you can start rationalizing that killing me is fine because you no longer see me as human.



Those are your choices. You are never going to be successful at getting transgender people to go back to the existence they had where they had to hide in the shadows to not bruise your delicate sensibilities. Too many people no longer fear identifying as transgender and too many people know transgender people now to let you do it. So you can except defeat or start killing transgender people.

Just as I thought. B ING transgender is not biological.

Reading post 73....... Nope didn't call them monsters. But you know that because of what you said following. Why would you deliberately accuse me of saying something you know good and well I didn't say. Makes your posts untrustworthy.

Oh are you a transactivist? Here I thought you were another victim of their ideology. You must have swallowed it all hook line and sinker. You are what is commonly called an ally. Since you brought up the Germans you are like a good German citizen who just believed what their betters were telling them. While Hitler was destroying people they just stood by because they believed it was for the greater good. They weren't Hitler but they were his pawns.

Accept defeat or start killing? Is that how you think? That's a bit scary. Since we are winning in many places should we expect to see people who are losing start killing us? I mean if it's either accept defeat or start killing and all. I wonder when all the slaughter is going to start happening in Florida. Is Micky Mouse going on killing spree now?

It's a shame you fell for it all.

Come to the light and see what they are doing to children.

 

[Bradskii]

And you questioned that it was being taught in school.

I didn't question it. I wanted you to provide a specific example, not hearsay, half quotes, somebody said, I read somewhere...etc. It's all too easy to say the sky is falling without being exact about what you think the problem is. Indicated with an example. You gave one. And gee, turns out to be a lesson on puberty that mentions gender in two sentences. Two sentences that are entirely appropriate. And completely mystifying to you as you don't even think the concept exists.

So is this what is causing people to run around like headless chooks? Age appropriate info on gender? Well, we must eradicate that! But if you want some advice, better get a move on. In another year or so people will be wondering why you guys were kicking up so much of a fuss. You're all jumping up and down at the station and the train left some time ago.

How come the right is always so far behind everyone else on matters like this?

 

[LesSme]

While I'm not a fan of the DailyCaller in general, they were the only one who touched on this one, so unfortunately I have to link them here:

Liberal News Site Walks Back Claim That CPAC Speaker Wants To ‘Eradicate’ Trans People

Liberal news outlet The Daily Beast walked back its initial headline claiming Michael Knowles wants the

dailycaller.com

Michael Knowles made a speech at CPAC (a speech that I disagree with on a number of points), but I was more disappointed to see left-leaning outlets take the low road and put words in his mouth that he didn't say.

View attachment 328775

View attachment 328776


View attachment 328777

Afterwards, left-wing activists attacked Rolling Stone and the Daily Beast for bowing “to right wing pressure.”

To which he responded:
View attachment 328778


Makes me wonder if he chose his words specifically to cast a "bait" in the water, and they took it, or if these outlets would've made up falsehoods no matter what he said.

I'm a staunch believer in the premise that in most cases (with very few exceptions) "good ideas don't require force" and "good ideas don't need to cheat in order to win the marketplace of ideas". If a particular side has to lie in order to try to get people to turn against their political opponents, that's the sign of a weak position.

I just would like to thank you for your post. I had pretty much decided to give up visiting the non-Christian only sections of the forum and am hopeful there will be more intellectually honest posts such as yours (and another made today by @DaisyDay on a different thread) appearing in these areas.

 

[Bradskii]

I just would like to thank you for your post. I had pretty much decided to give up visiting the non-Christian only sections of the forum...

All sections are open to all Christians. Some areas are just off limits to those with no faith. But they're not non-Christian only. Obviously, as you just posted here.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Just as I thought. B ING transgender is not biological.

Right, just like the plum pudding model of atoms is correct.

Reading post 73....... Nope didn't call them monsters. But you know that because of what you said following. Why would you deliberately accuse me of saying something you know good and well I didn't say. Makes your posts untrustworthy.

I’m sorry. It was Post #72 you used dehumanizing language. You also called transactivist “monsters” in Post #187.

Oh are you a transactivist? Here I thought you were another victim of their ideology. You must have swallowed it all hook line and sinker. You are what is commonly called an ally. Since you brought up the Germans you are like a good German citizen who just believed what their betters were telling them. While Hitler was destroying people they just stood by because they believed it was for the greater good. They weren't Hitler but they were his pawns.

Nazi Germany also targeted the LGBTQ community. And just like now, Christians got suckered into attacking them.

Accept defeat or start killing? Is that how you think? That's a bit scary. Since we are winning in many places should we expect to see people who are losing start killing us? I mean if it's either accept defeat or start killing and all. I wonder when all the slaughter is going to start happening in Florida. Is Micky Mouse going on killing spree now?

Mickey Mouse is a cartoon character. Not a real person. Those are your only two options because you are not going to succeed in shoving transgender people back into the closet so you better learn to live with them as equals beside you in society.

People don’t just wake up one day and decide that they can commit genocide. They need to be conditioned into it. Using dehumanizing language for groups that are going to be targeted moves people into that direction. Bale out now before you start physically harming people or encouraging others to do so.

It's a shame you fell for it all.

Come to the light and see what they are doing to children.

Your wrong. I do feel shame. I’m ashamed I spent a quarter century in the position you are now. I am ashamed I pushed for and voted for conservative causes. I’m ashamed I didn’t speak up when I saw members of the LGBTQ community get harassed.

I wouldn’t be able to face my daughter if I still was like you are now. I know ultimately we are all barbarians to future generations, but I’d like to do my best to ensure I can go as long as possible before I am realized as a barbarian as well.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I didn't question it. I wanted you to provide a specific example, not hearsay, half quotes, somebody said, I read somewhere...etc. It's all too easy to say the sky is falling without being exact about what you think the problem is. Indicated with an example. You gave one. And gee, turns out to be a lesson on puberty that mentions gender in two sentences. Two sentences that are entirely appropriate. And completely mystifying to you as you don't even think the concept exists.

There's that goalpost shift I mentioned.

So is this what is causing people to run around like headless chooks? Age appropriate info on gender? Well, we must eradicate that! But if you want some advice, better get a move on.

Well a number of states have succeeded in blocking this stuff.

I suspect that even the blue states will need to pull a full reversal once enough lawsuits get filed.

In another year or so people will be wondering why you guys were kicking up so much of a fuss. You're all jumping up and down at the station and the train left some time ago.

How come the right is always so far behind everyone else on matters like this?

Behind who? Sweden, the UK, France, and others have dropped the affirmative care model after realizing it led to horrific outcomes and was just modern day pseudoscience.

Let's be honest, for the whole "you're on the wrong side of history"schtick to carry any weight...it would help if you were on the right side of history for any social issue in the past 7 years....


Let's look at ones you got wrong....

1. The migrant crisis.
2. The racist police.
3. Defund the police.
4. BLM is a civil rights movement.
5. Covid lock downs are necessary.
6. Not getting the vaccine = public health hazard.
7. CRT isn't being taught in schools.
8. There's a white supremacist terrorist threat coming any day now...

Now you're telling us "don't worry about these kids being experimented on...they never regret it and they never will, also, give this group a bunch of special privileges so I can feel like a moral person."

Given that you've been on the wrong side of reality....consistently....

Where is this confidence coming from?

 

[Ana the Ist]

People don’t just wake up one day and decide that they can commit genocide. They need to be conditioned into it. Using dehumanizing language for groups that are going to be targeted moves people into that direction. Bale out now before you start physically harming people or encouraging others to do so.

This is a joke right?

I've listened to 10 years of the woke left literally dehumanizing straight white men....I don't recall a word of complaint from you.

Remember words like "mansplaining" and "whitesplaining"? Literally words to describe the way my opinions held less value. Remember how "white privilege" was used? Literally to devalue my work or accomplishments. If a woman or non-white person achieved the same as me??? They must have worked twice as hard to achieve it. How about Don Lemon describing me as part of the most dangerous group in the US? How about Biden giving a state of the union where everyone who voted for the other party is a threat to American democracy?

I wouldn’t be able to face my daughter if I still was like you are now.

Oh good, you have a daughter. I'm sure she's never in any trouble but certainly you're aware even innocent girls get wrongly incarcerated sometimes....so just read about some of those scenarios and imagine one happening to your little girl....

You're a good parent, so you go visit her on what's likely the first opportunity you get and she can't stop crying. Why? Because her cell mate Michelle was named Mike only 2 weeks ago when she realized she was trans and moved to a woman's prison. What's Mike in for? She's a suspected serial rapist of women. Sure...she looks like a muscle bound 6'2"guy covered in prison tattoos but inside....Michelle is all woman. Obviously the guards aren't doing anything....they think this is funny.

What exactly is the advice you would give your daughter in this situation? Stop being such a bigoted transphobe and compliment Michelle on her bravery? Make a shank and try not to fall asleep for the next 6 months?

Michelle doesn't need a diagnosis after all....what's to diagnose? Transgender isn't a mental disorder. Transwomen are women, right? So she's in the correct prison according to you...

Do you even understand this has already happened in real life?

 

[LesSme]

All sections are open to all Christians. Some areas are just off limits to those with no faith. But they're not non-Christian only. Obviously, as you just posted here.

I think I may have stated my post poorly. I just meant I was feeling uncomfortable in the areas open to all, i.e. those with no faith (as here).

 

[rjs330]

I didn't question it. I wanted you to provide a specific example, not hearsay, half quotes, somebody said, I read somewhere...etc. It's all too easy to say the sky is falling without being exact about what you think the problem is. Indicated with an example. You gave one. And gee, turns out to be a lesson on puberty that mentions gender in two sentences. Two sentences that are entirely appropriate. And completely mystifying to you as you don't even think the concept exists.

So is this what is causing people to run around like headless chooks? Age appropriate info on gender? Well, we must eradicate that! But if you want some advice, better get a move on. In another year or so people will be wondering why you guys were kicking up so much of a fuss. You're all jumping up and down at the station and the train left some time ago.

How come the right is always so far behind everyone else on matters like this?

If you didn't question it why did you ask for evidence then?

See I knew you would find a way to move. I provided another video for you to peruse in post 190.

You were questioning and you know it. Why ask for evidence if you already believe it's true?

So now that we all can agree that it's true I hope we can put that to rest.

You know it interesting to have you point out that there are two sentences mentioning exactly what I said was happening. You remember of course the whole debate over the law in Florida. You were all concerned over if a teacher could mention thier gay spouse because kids might have questions that would lead to a discussion.

Are you now saying that a lesson including teaching kids there are different genders in a sex ed class would NOT lead to any questions or discussions? Did that paperwork say anything about the fact that the discussions and questions were not allowed?

We understand you are all for it. We also understand you fully support it and want it.

And by the way, we are making headway on this issue. More and more states are seeing movement on this. So getting a move on is happening.

And the left is so scared of it that they will blatantly lie about it as we see here in this thread.

I mean we have people here still claiming that genocide is on the way. Do you believe that?