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Michael Knowles demands a retraction, and gets it.

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Honestly....Given how hard trans activists attempt to silence, slander, and deplatform anyone who disagrees with them.

And I can't think of a single trans person canceled for the same by the non trans community....
Really? You don't think a single trans person has lost their job because of their identity? Been told that they're lying about their identity or that they're actually [whatever gender they were assigned at birth]? Been kicked out of their house? Been wrongly accused of being a pervert, or a pedophile, or a "groomer"?
 
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Really? You don't think a single trans person has lost their job because of their identity?

Canceled, deplatformed, silenced....

That's the issue being addressed right? Don't want folks like Knowles silencing people essentially using the exact same tactics as the trans activists, right?

Let's hear this list of trans people who have been canceled, silenced, or deplatformed. Cuz I can start a list of people they've gone after. Might even be able to do it from wealthiest down to poorest....you got JK Rowling, Dave Chappelle....

You see the irony of this whinging? Oh no! Who will protect their freedoms!

Have you ever heard the phrase live by the sword die by the sword?
 
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Canceled, deplatformed, silenced....

That's the issue being addressed right? Don't want folks like Knowles silencing people essentially using the exact same tactics as the trans activists, right?

Let's hear this list of trans people who have been canceled, silenced, or deplatformed. Cuz I can start a list of people they've gone after. Might even be able to do it from wealthiest down to poorest....you got JK Rowling, Dave Chappelle....

You see the irony of this whinging? Oh no! Who will protect their freedoms!

Have you ever heard the phrase live by the sword die by the sword?


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That's from the first 20 results of a search for "fired for being trans".

If you want to narrowly define "canceled, deplatformed, silenced" as only referring to public figures taking abuse publicly and on social media (since Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling are still doing quite well for themselves - they've hardly been canceled), then we can talk about Dr. Rachel Levine:



There aren't a whole lot of transgender public figures and celebrities though, so the sample size is pretty small.
 
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What's in the video?



Not counting this. It's a church. C'mon...let's not talk about this as if there's literally no trans people leading prayer in any mosque. It's a cheap shot.

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This one is ironic...a trans person, whose blog is featured in a major news network....talking about being canceled. They literally have a giant platform and audience. What cancelation?



Are there examples of cancelation in those articles?

That's from the first 20 results of a search for "fired for being trans".

If you want to narrowly define "canceled, deplatformed, silenced" as only referring to public figures taking abuse publicly and on social media (since Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling are still doing quite well for themselves - they've hardly been canceled), then we can talk about Dr. Rachel Levine:



There aren't a whole lot of transgender public figures and celebrities though, so the sample size is pretty small.

No I don't define it narrowly. Imagine literally everyone who has been called a "transphobe" and lost income of any kind. I don't count government officials appointed to office. Sorry....but criticism of government officials is entirely valid in this country. No one is above such criticism.




How about every video game streamer who played the new Harry Potter game? Yup...all of em...coming for your money....



Shall I continue? It doesn't matter if you're big time, small time, cracked a joke recently or 20 years ago....they try their best to ruin you.

I have no sympathy for anyone using such tactics. If they were silenced forever and banned from all public discourse....it's a tactic they openly endorse and use....so they deserve it.
 
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Honestly....Given how hard trans activists attempt to silence, slander, and deplatform anyone who disagrees with them.

And I can't think of a single trans person canceled for the same by the non trans community....

Your fainting spell where you cry out "who will defend the poor trans people!" Is pretty hilarious lol.
Nobody is asking for anyone to defend anyone else. What I would expect is that if someone considers there to be a problem, or several problems with transgenderism such as the ones I listed, then reasonable people should be able to enter into reasonable discussions to solve them. Like adults, you know?

Pandering to a bunch of rightwingers at a political meeting like this by shouting out bumper sticker slogans like 'Transgenderism must be eradicated!' yet again shines a light on the standard of political 'debate' we have to put up with these days. Or rather, the standard you need to put up with. We get people down here as well that seem to put as much thought into problems as would a head of cabbage. But ours are few and far between. Yours seem to grow on trees. They're part of the landscape. It's the norm. Par for the course. Barely an eyebrow raised.

It was a stupid comment designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. No thought, no nuance, no suggestions, no meat on any bone (not even a bone let alone a simple skelton of a reasonable proposal), no intelligence required to process the 'policy'. Hey, yeah - let's just eradicate it! Job done! High five! That was easy. What's next?

Or more likely, who is next.
 
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Have you ever heard the phrase live by the sword die by the sword?
So that's the argument? Seriously? 'You have stupid people saying stupid things so we can do that as well. There are extremists your side saying idiotic things so hey, that's a fair and reasonable excuse to say whatever we want.'

I think that's too pathetic an argument to class it as something you'd likely hear in the schoolyard because it would insult the intelligence of the kids I know in the schoolyard.

If someone knows where all the grown ups are, tell them they're needed asap.
 
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Do you have examples of this happening? And I don’t mean on the fringes. I want mainstream examples. Knowles said this at the same conference that multiple presidential candidates spoke at including the current front runner for a major political party.
Do you want examples of people wanting to see Christianity eradicated, because you've never seen those sentiments being expressed?
 
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Do you want examples of people wanting to see Christianity eradicated, because you've never seen those sentiments being expressed?
This was a major political conference. Get real.
 
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Nobody is asking for anyone to defend anyone else.

Then what's all the hubbub over?

Pandering to a bunch of rightwingers at a political meeting like this by shouting out bumper sticker slogans like 'Transgenderism must be eradicated!' yet again shines a light on the standard of political 'debate'

The left doesn't debate. There's a viral video today of all left wing clowns trying to come up with a response to the "trick question" of "what is a woman?"

It's crickets....silence....they got nothing.

This isn't some ivy league debate team here. They stepped in it once they started the slogan "transwomen are women" which of course begs the above question. Which they cannot answer. Not exactly rocket scientists. More the eating crayons type.



It was a stupid comment designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. No thought, no nuance, no suggestions, no meat on any bone (not even a bone let alone a simple skelton of a reasonable proposal), no intelligence required to process the 'policy'. Hey, yeah - let's just eradicate it! Job done! High five! That was easy. What's next?

Or more likely, who is next.

How about their supporters?
 
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Do you want examples of people wanting to see Christianity eradicated, because you've never seen those sentiments being expressed?

I’ve never seen it in the United States at a major political conference that included who some think could become the next President of the United States.
 
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I’ve never seen it in the United States at a major political conference that included who some think could become the next President of the United States.
Really? You've never experienced a solitary person making an outrageous remark in such a setting? It always amazes me when one person who's basically a nobody, shoots their mouth off on their own, and it's treated as if an entire company or political party or country said it.
 
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If transgenderism is eradicated, what happens to the transgender people?
He's elaborated on that, and that's the part of his assertion that I disagree with.

I've heard him (and others like him) speak on the topic before.

It seems that the staunch conservative position on this "well, then you just need to suck it up, live like the gender that matches your assigned sex at birth and deal with it...take meds or get counseling if need by" and they will use the approach of comparing gender dysphoria to schizophrenia...typically with something like "well, we don't all (as a society) pretend the voices in their heads are real and play along just to placate them, why would we handle this situation that way?"

Admittedly, that was my position on the matter a few years back (however, I've drifted toward a more nuanced position on it)


I heard another personality from the same organization use an analogy that seems to highlight where I think some of the frustration conservatives have on this issue is coming from (and it's a valid frustration, I just don't think they're handling it the best way).

It seems to be rooted in the fact that there's really no limiting principle the progressive side is willing to implement and stick to and the things that got labelled as "conservative slippery slope" end up being reality 5 years later.

So he equated issues surrounding modern gender theory to a tree. (and I'm paraphrasing here ->) Trying to find a "middle ground" on this issue ends up being like constantly trying to prune branches off the tree, and in the time it takes to prune one, two new branches sprout up. At a certain point, you reach the conclusion of "this way isn't working" and decide that it's better just to uproot the tree.


Like I said, while I don't agree with their approach, I can certainly understand the frustration. This would be true on a lot of other issues (going in both political directions). The "let's compromise and find middle ground" isn't a workable solution when one side is unwilling to implement (and stick to) their own limiting principles, and even worse when one side makes the very notion of limiting principles antithetical to their mission.

Perhaps a good comparison (for something on the other side) would be the gun issue. Given that there are some (probably more than "some") on the right who don't have a limiting principle on that, I know there have been more than a few on the left, who, while they wouldn't inherently be opposed to all gun ownership in a compromise friendly environment, have been pushed into that ideological position due to the perception that "this trying to compromise thing isn't working, and unless we take a harder position to counterbalance theirs, they're gonna run away with this thing"
 
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What's in the video?
Two stories about people being fired for being gay or transgender. If you don't want to watch, those two stories are also told in the article below.
Not counting this. It's a church. C'mon...let's not talk about this as if there's literally no trans people leading prayer in any mosque. It's a cheap shot.
She was fired for being trans. Don't move the goalposts.
This one is ironic...a trans person, whose blog is featured in a major news network....talking about being canceled. They literally have a giant platform and audience. What cancelation?
So do Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling, and yet you're harping on about them being cancelled.
Are there examples of cancelation in those articles?
Yes, an example is provided. Did you read the article?
I don't count government officials appointed to office. Sorry....but criticism of government officials is entirely valid in this country. No one is above such criticism.
What about being a government official gives people a license to criticize your appearance or gender identity? Those have nothing to do with your ability to do your job.
 
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Really? You've never experienced a solitary person making an outrageous remark in such a setting? It always amazes me when one person who's basically a nobody, shoots their mouth off on their own, and it's treated as if an entire company or political party or country said it.

Frightfully, I don’t think the people at CPAC considered these comments as outrageous. Unless I have missed it, I have not seen any organizer of this conference condemn these comments. Nor have I seen any presidential candidate that was their nor any of their spokespersons condemn these comments. I also haven’t seen any members of those political party that is associated with this conference condemn these comments.





If you had an example of someone at an event closely tied with a major political party claiming they wanted Christianity eradicated and not having those comments condemned, you would have posted it by now rather than asking me if I truly can’t remember seeing it.
 
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Frightfully, I don’t think the people at CPAC considered these comments as outrageous. Unless I have missed it, I have not seen any organizer of this conference condemn these comments. Nor have I seen any presidential candidate that was their nor any of their spokespersons condemn these comments. I also haven’t seen any members of those political party that is associated with this conference condemn these comments.





If you had an example of someone at an event closely tied with a major political party claiming they wanted Christianity eradicated and not having those comments condemned, you would have posted it by now rather than asking me if I truly can’t remember seeing it.
I'm pretty sure someone somewhere who's tied to a political party said something along the lines of getting rid of Christianity in one form or another.

But you know what this is of course. If one person says something, everyone and anything he has a connection to is equally guilty.
 
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I'm pretty sure someone somewhere who's tied to a political party said something along the lines of getting rid of Christianity in one form or another.

But you know what this is of course. If one person says something, everyone and anything he has a connection to is equally guilty.

Are you ever going to show an instance of someone wanting to eradicate Christianity without being condemned for it by those associated with them or are you just going to continue insinuating it happened with absolutely no evidence in an attempt to smear the other side to make them look as bad as your own?
 
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He's elaborated on that, and that's the part of his assertion that I disagree with.

I've heard him (and others like him) speak on the topic before.

It seems that the staunch conservative position on this "well, then you just need to suck it up, live like the gender that matches your assigned sex at birth and deal with it...take meds or get counseling if need by" and they will use the approach of comparing gender dysphoria to schizophrenia...typically with something like "well, we don't all (as a society) pretend the voices in their heads are real and play along just to placate them, why would we handle this situation that way?"

Admittedly, that was my position on the matter a few years back (however, I've drifted toward a more nuanced position on it)


I heard another personality from the same organization use an analogy that seems to highlight where I think some of the frustration conservatives have on this issue is coming from (and it's a valid frustration, I just don't think they're handling it the best way).

It seems to be rooted in the fact that there's really no limiting principle the progressive side is willing to implement and stick to and the things that got labelled as "conservative slippery slope" end up being reality 5 years later.

So he equated issues surrounding modern gender theory to a tree. (and I'm paraphrasing here ->) Trying to find a "middle ground" on this issue ends up being like constantly trying to prune branches off the tree, and in the time it takes to prune one, two new branches sprout up. At a certain point, you reach the conclusion of "this way isn't working" and decide that it's better just to uproot the tree.


Like I said, while I don't agree with their approach, I can certainly understand the frustration. This would be true on a lot of other issues (going in both political directions). The "let's compromise and find middle ground" isn't a workable solution when one side is unwilling to implement (and stick to) their own limiting principles, and even worse when one side makes the very notion of limiting principles antithetical to their mission.

Perhaps a good comparison (for something on the other side) would be the gun issue. Given that there are some (probably more than "some") on the right who don't have a limiting principle on that, I know there have been more than a few on the left, who, while they wouldn't inherently be opposed to all gun ownership in a compromise friendly environment, have been pushed into that ideological position due to the perception that "this trying to compromise thing isn't working, and unless we take a harder position to counterbalance theirs, they're gonna run away with this thing"
My sense is most people are trying to form opinions on this without actually knowing a trans person - or even reading about a trans persons experience in any depth. Absent that, I think people literally have no clue what theyre talking about. Its like theyre making judgements based another persons description of a stick figure drawing. All this talk about "middle ground" is worthless when people are deciding in ignorance what the right and left bounds of discussion should be.
 
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Are you ever going to show an instance of someone wanting to eradicate Christianity without being condemned for it by those associated with them or are you just going to continue insinuating it happened with absolutely no evidence in an attempt to smear the other side to make them look as bad as your own?
Does it have to be someone using the exact word "eradicate"? Is this going to be another one of those deals where I waste time doing this so that you can come up with technicalities for why what I post doesn't qualify?
 
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Does it have to be someone using the exact word "eradicate"? Is this going to be another one of those deals where I waste time doing this so that you can come up with technicalities for why what I post doesn't qualify?

What do you mean “waste time doing this”? Do you not have something immediately available? Did you make a claim with no evidence and just hope no one would call you out on it? In how many times you have given me the run around you could have searched to back up your unsupported claim several times over.

It doesn’t have to be “eradicated” but it does need to portray that idea. The removal by force of the ideology from the society. I won’t accept the someone saying other ideologies should have a seat at the table in American life. Loss of a privileged spot in society is not the same as being eradicated.

It also should be from the same organization that has legitimate presidential candidates speaking at it.
 
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