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We first have to accept that in multicellular organisms developmental changes from gametes through to the adult are obligatory. The modifications in body structure are gradual in many plants and animals, but in some, like amphibians and insects, they can be abrupt. Even though such gradual transformations occur in mammals, for example, metamorphosis is normally reserved to describe abrupt changes that occur after birth or hatching. A classical example is the monarch butterfly.

The monarch goes through four radically different stages:- the eggs, laid during spring and summer, hatch into worm-like larvae (caterpillars), which feed on milkweed leaves. They grow quickly, storing energy and nutrients for the non-feeding pupal stage. The caterpillar eventually builds a cocoon around itself to form the pupa (chrysalis). Under hormonal control its body mostly disintegrates and then reforms leading to the development of the butterfly, which emerges from the cocoon, flies away and migrates feeding on a variety of flowers (nectar).

Creationists claim that evolution cannot explain such transformations, arguing that metamorphosis couldn't evolve multiple stages since each organism must be able to reproduce and be superior, in some sense, to its ancestors.

What mutations could improve a larva? Certainly none that destroyed its nerves, muscles, eyes, brain, and most other organs, as occurs within a cocoon. So, even if a larva improved, it later ends up as "mush." From an evolutionary standpoint, liquefying complex organs is a giant step backwards. As Michael Pitman wryly noted,

Maggots will more or less dissolve themselves when developing into a fly. Was the process pre-programmed from the first “production run”? Or was the ancestral fly a dissolved maggot?

The millions of changes inside the thick liquid never produce something survivable or advantageous in the outside world until the adult completely forms. How did the genetic material for both larva and adult develop? Which came first, larva or adult? What mutations could transform a crawling larva into a flying monarch butterfly that can accurately navigate 3,000 miles using antennae and a tiny brain? Indeed, why should a larva evolve in the first place, because it cannot reproduce?

Based on metamorphosis alone, evolution "breaks down." In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - 37. Metamorphosis

Creationists miss, or perhaps intentionally avoid, important points. The first has already been stated: that development of multicellular body plans though various stages cannot be avoided, even if these 'morph' into one another, so it is likely that the original state for insects was gradual change and not metamorphosis. At some point, instead of developing in a steady fashion, they began to develop in bursts.

Growth patterns intermediate to full metamorphosis already exist, ranging from growth with no metamorphosis (such as with silverfish) to partial metamorphosis (as with true bugs and mayflies) complete metamorphosis with relatively little change in form (as with rove beetles), and the metamorphosis seen in butterflies. It is surely possible that similar intermediate stages could have developed over time to produce butterfly metamorphosis from an ancestor without metamorphosis. In fact, an explanation exists for the evolution of metamorphosis based largely on changes in the endocrinology of development. CB311: Butterfly metamorphosis

So it's likely that full metamorphosis arose because the first insects that evolved four life stages — embryo, larva, pupa and imago — outcompeted those that developed gradually through just three stages — embryo, nymph, and adult — without a pupal stage.

Another point creationists miss is that there are definite advantages to full metamorphosis: it allows for two life forms of the same organism to inhabit the same environment, yet to avoid competition with one another by exploiting different resources — the caterpillar eats leaves and the butterfly consumes nectar. Each stage requires that the embryo or larval form has a source of food, and that explains why caterpillars are important as they can consume large amounts of leaves for very rapid growth. Also metamorphosis allows the organism, like the monarch butterfly, to migrate, mate, lay eggs and overwinter (for this, the larval form would be most inefficient!).

The Creation Science article asks why a larva should evolve in the first place, "because it cannot reproduce?". Of course, without the larval stage there would be insufficient food for rapid growth and ultimate formation of the butterfly. Moreover, even though the larvae can't reproduce, they are still subject to natural selection, not only ensuring that this essential developmental stage is free of less well performing individuals, but also providing raw material for evolution, such as the independent development of poisons and markings in the caterpillar.

The point is, perhaps contrary to popular belief, that evolution can occur at all levels of development right through to the reproducing adult. This is because natural selection and inherited genetic variation operate at every stage of development, even though it is only the adult that actually reproduces.

By switching on a certain set of genes, a particular metamorphic stage is produced, and because it is subject to natural selection (and genetic variation) it can evolve semi-independently of the other stages. Under the influence of hormones, another set of genes are then activated to produce a secondary phenotype, which in turn can evolve, depending on the success of the previous stages, of course. This explains how the various metamorphic stages can diversify to eventually look like completely different organisms.

There's nothing strange in this as gene switching is how our own bodies differentiate into various organs and tissues.

See The origins of insect metamorphosis
 
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"Granted, then, that certain transformations do happen, it is essential that we should regard them in the philosophic manner of fairy tales, not in the unphilosophic manner of science and the 'Laws of Nature.' When we are asked why eggs turn into birds or fruits fall in autumn, we must answer exactly as the fairy godmother would answer if Cinderella asked her why mice turned into horses or her clothes fell from her at twelve o'clock. We must answer that it is MAGIC. It is not a 'law,' for we do not understand it's general formula." -- G. K. Chesterton, philosopher, Orthodoxy, Chapter IV: The Ethics of Elfland, 1909
 
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Lovely OP!

And what a brilliant example of not knowing (or pretending not to know?) what you're dismissing :doh: "Which came first, larva or adult?" Weeeell, as anyone with a cursory knowledge of insect biology knows, insects with complete metamorphosis are generally considered more derived. Do grasshoppers and bugs look like caterpillars? No? Go figure...

Another thing that the creationist account ignores is that even in holometabolous insects, pupation is not simply complete disintegration and reformation. They forget about imaginal discs. The body of an adult fly or butterfly develops from clumps of stem cells that had been there - and determined to form a particular structure - well before metamorphosis. I bet you that similar structures existed before complete metamorphosis.
 
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Well, you seem to be assuming metamorphosis is either complete or nonexistant. One can look at, say, dragon flies and see less severe of a transformation without any cocoon but rather just as a little more than a routine shedding of it's old shell. Much of the body transforms in the nymph stage with the dragon fly changing from a short squat body to a long slender body. One can see how a similar gradual metamorphosis can evolve in a earlier insect. From there, we see diptera (flies) and lepidoptera (butterflies and moths) simply shifting to a more rapid change.
 
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[serious];55746210 said:
Well, you seem to be assuming metamorphosis is either complete or nonexistant. One can look at, say, dragon flies and see less severe of a transformation without any cocoon but rather just as a little more than a routine shedding of it's old shell. Much of the body transforms in the nymph stage with the dragon fly changing from a short squat body to a long slender body. One can see how a similar gradual metamorphosis can evolve in a earlier insect. From there, we see diptera (flies) and lepidoptera (butterflies and moths) simply shifting to a more rapid change.
I don't think it's as simple as the rate of change. How much of its tissues and organs does a dragonfly nymph keep into adulthood, for example?
 
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I don't think it's as simple as the rate of change. How much of its tissues and organs does a dragonfly nymph keep into adulthood, for example?

Even the amount of tissue replaced is something that can be gradually increased. I fail to see why that would change anything.

A generalized progression:

1. minimal change other than scalar growth from infancy to adulthood
2. gradually increased complexity of adult and/or delayed growth of preexisting adult structures
3. Interim stages consolidated into a shorter, quicker change.

This applies to more than just insects too. The first set of leaves for many plants are substantially different than regular leaves and are then lost. Likewise, humans reabsorb their tail and precursors to one set of sex organs in utero. so on and so forth. The only difference is instead of getting all the changes out of the way right at birth, some insects find they can have a VERY successful larval stage and fuel their transformation with the energy stored from that.
 
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[serious];55746556 said:
Even the amount of tissue replaced is something that can be gradually increased. I fail to see why that would change anything.
It doesn't... and I have no idea what your point is?? Or rather, who it was originally aimed at. Because I don't see where Mike or I implied that it's an all or nothing phenomenon :scratch:
 
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It doesn't... and I have no idea what your point is??

You said it wasn't as simple as rate of change. My point was it really isn't. Sure, there is a difference in the degree of change, but that has no bar to evolving gradually so it's not really relevant.
 
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[serious];55746801 said:
You said it wasn't as simple as rate of change.
Well, it's not :)

Who did your first post in thread address, though? You started by saying,

Well, you seem to be assuming metamorphosis is either complete or nonexistant.
Who is "you"? :confused:

My point was it really isn't. Sure, there is a difference in the degree of change, but that has no bar to evolving gradually so it's not really relevant.
I see where you're coming from. I guess being totally anal is a flaw I need to work on...

I do think it's relevant, though. If the only difference between dragonflies and butterflies was the rate of their change in body form, then caterpillars wouldn't be touted as unevolvable (see creationist quote in the OP). Saying butterflies just do it faster sounds like ignoring the original objection, which was against the differences of degree. IMO it's better, as you later did, to try to explain how the different degree of change could evolve gradually.
 
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Well, it's not :)

Who did your first post in thread address, though? You started by saying,

Who is "you"? :confused:

I see where you're coming from. I guess being totally anal is a flaw I need to work on...

I do think it's relevant, though. If the only difference between dragonflies and butterflies was the rate of their change in body form, then caterpillars wouldn't be touted as unevolvable (see creationist quote in the OP). Saying butterflies just do it faster sounds like ignoring the original objection, which was against the differences of degree. IMO it's better, as you later did, to try to explain how the different degree of change could evolve gradually.

I should have been more specific or quoted the OP. I was responding to the OP who suggested that the distinct life stages were unevolvable. I used the dragonfly example to show it can exist as an intermediate. The degree of difference might not be quite on the level of caterpillar to butterfly, but it's substantial enough that unless you were familiar with dragonfly nymphs you would NOT be able to ID them as dragonflies. They live in water as opposed to air and start off with a very different body structure. There are other examples we could point to for other aspects of the metamorphosis including timing and degree. However, I didn't see those as being the primary point of contention.
 
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[serious];55747077 said:
I should have been more specific or quoted the OP. I was responding to the OP who suggested that the distinct life stages were unevolvable.

I think you need to read the OP again. It was a quote from a creationist web site that suggested that the distinct life stages were unevolvable — my post was to state quite the opposite!!!!

I don't like the quote system used in this forum, so often use indents instead — sorry for the confusion.
 
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I think you need to read the OP again. It was a quote from a creationist web site that suggested that the distinct life stages were unevolvable — my post was to state quite the opposite!!!!

I don't like the quote system used in this forum, so often use indents instead — sorry for the confusion.

Yeah, realized that after.
 
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