Met with the Missionaries?

[SonofYah]

 

[SonofYah]

Blessings to you, Duende, and to all at this post today.

There is no harmful bone in my body, and therefore by the grace of God Most High, I do not ever come against people, but rather, against teachings that are contrary to Sacred Scripture, and often, I will go to an one, and tell him/her that that which I have seen him do, is something that is wrong. Even then, I cannot judge the heart [the reason why the sin was committed], but only the action itself. In answering the question at the beginning, I am only bringing forth observations, and not judging people, so please understand this.

Duende, Mormons are very lovely people, but the truth they speak of, is not truth at all, but rather, most of that which they teach as truth, is diametrically opposed to the Scriptures, and so their teachings will lead you away from the true God, following after that one who is called the enemy of all souls.

The Elders with whom you speak, are usually not truly Elders at all. Although their personalities are usually genuinely positive, and pro what they have been schooled in, to bring forth fruit during their missionary lives [usually for two years, which they and their parents fund for God], they have been given pat answers and pat teachings, and are very hopeful that those with whom they speak, know less about the Scriptures than they do. When they find such as this, it becomes relatively easy to obtain new converts within a short time. They use many ways to convince you that they are the people of God, but sadly, Duente, they are teaching lies - lies which will truly hurt you in the long run - even though I am certain they do believe all of their lies.

One of the first things you must understand, Duente, is that "Jesus Christ [is] the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Hebrews 13: 8). This means that you are sure to understand the truth of a thing [or a teaching], because that teaching fully agrees with that which was written about that thing [teaching] earlier in the Sacred Scriptures, for Who is the Word? Jesus is the Word, thus the Word never changes!

Mormons go against this, because of their belief in "progressive revelation," or we could say, they listen rather to the words of a living prophet, even if his words are contrary to the written word of God. I have studied very indepthly into Mormonism over the years, having read much of their books [Joseph Smith, et al], and with a systematic study, you will not only find that they are far away from the truth that Scripture exudes, but there is much inconsistency among the very books that their prophet Joseph Smith supposedly wrote himself.

When you find this [and remember, before you give yourself over to a belief that is brought to you in only six messages, you'd better be very sure that all of your study is done, and there are no loose ends whatever that causes you pain, because God is leading you to see through the lessons, and find mistakes], you will inevitably ask for the answers to what you've found in your studies, and these young men and women aren't often ready to deal with someone who truly understands the Scriptures, because of his spending great time in its study. Then, those who are unable to answer your valid questions, they will come away from the intellectual pursuit of truth, and then speak about the burning bosom!

The burning heart/burning bosom, is used by them, because they know that many have followed this suggestion, and have been convinced by it. They tell you to be alone, and in private prayer, ask God to give you a burning bosom, if their teachings and Church is the one true church in earth, and, if you do this, you will find the bosom does burn! Many, Duente, become Mormons, because their bosoms have burned within them, and they have thought this the manner of God's communicating the truth of that church. Don't believe it! Yahweh does not bring you to a knowledge of the truth by a burning bosom, but He says unto you: "Come, and let us reason together" (Isaiah 1: 18). Learning and knowing the truth, is an intellectual pursuit, and not an emotional search, for Satan can do little against the intellectual truth, but much when it comes to the emotions. Remember these words finally, and be very careful about any call to the emotions:

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2Timothy 2: 15).

It is only late, after you have been baptised into the body of believers in Mormonism, that you begin to understand some of the deeper truths, because before baptism, you've really only scratched a little of the surface. When you learn about what goes on in the Temples, about each Mormon becoming a god, and populating his part of the universe, by procreating with the many women he has married in the temples here on the earth, and other things such as that God is really the first Adam, you will find you've joined a lovely group, but the group as friendly as they seem to be, are really inundated by spiritualism, going against the words of Moses in Deuteronomy 18, and many other things that prove the teachings antipodal to truth found in the Scriptures.

 

[fatboys]

Blessings to you, Duende, and to all at this post today.

There is no harmful bone in my body, and therefore by the grace of God Most High, I do not ever come against people, but rather, against teachings that are contrary to Sacred Scripture, and often, I will go to an one, and tell him/her that that which I have seen him do, is something that is wrong. Even then, I cannot judge the heart [the reason why the sin was committed], but only the action itself. In answering the question at the beginning, I am only bringing forth observations, and not judging people, so please understand this.

Duende, Mormons are very lovely people, but the truth they speak of, is not truth at all, but rather, most of that which they teach as truth, is diametrically opposed to the Scriptures, and so their teachings will lead you away from the true God, following after that one who is called the enemy of all souls.

The Elders with whom you speak, are usually not truly Elders at all. Although their personalities are usually genuinely positive, and pro what they have been schooled in, to bring forth fruit during their missionary lives [usually for two years, which they and their parents fund for God], they have been given pat answers and pat teachings, and are very hopeful that those with whom they speak, know less about the Scriptures than they do. When they find such as this, it becomes relatively easy to obtain new converts within a short time. They use many ways to convince you that they are the people of God, but sadly, Duente, they are teaching lies - lies which will truly hurt you in the long run - even though I am certain they do believe all of their lies.

One of the first things you must understand, Duente, is that "Jesus Christ [is] the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Hebrews 13: 8). This means that you are sure to understand the truth of a thing [or a teaching], because that teaching fully agrees with that which was written about that thing [teaching] earlier in the Sacred Scriptures, for Who is the Word? Jesus is the Word, thus the Word never changes!

Mormons go against this, because of their belief in "progressive revelation," or we could say, they listen rather to the words of a living prophet, even if his words are contrary to the written word of God. I have studied very indepthly into Mormonism over the years, having read much of their books [Joseph Smith, et al], and with a systematic study, you will not only find that they are far away from the truth that Scripture exudes, but there is much inconsistency among the very books that their prophet Joseph Smith supposedly wrote himself.

When you find this [and remember, before you give yourself over to a belief that is brought to you in only six messages, you'd better be very sure that all of your study is done, and there are no loose ends whatever that causes you pain, because God is leading you to see through the lessons, and find mistakes], you will inevitably ask for the answers to what you've found in your studies, and these young men and women aren't often ready to deal with someone who truly understands the Scriptures, because of his spending great time in its study. Then, those who are unable to answer your valid questions, they will come away from the intellectual pursuit of truth, and then speak about the burning bosom!

The burning heart/burning bosom, is used by them, because they know that many have followed this suggestion, and have been convinced by it. They tell you to be alone, and in private prayer, ask God to give you a burning bosom, if their teachings and Church is the one true church in earth, and, if you do this, you will find the bosom does burn! Many, Duente, become Mormons, because their bosoms have burned within them, and they have thought this the manner of God's communicating the truth of that church. Don't believe it! Yahweh does not bring you to a knowledge of the truth by a burning bosom, but He says unto you: "Come, and let us reason together" (Isaiah 1: 18). Learning and knowing the truth, is an intellectual pursuit, and not an emotional search, for Satan can do little against the intellectual truth, but much when it comes to the emotions. Remember these words finally, and be very careful about any call to the emotions:

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2Timothy 2: 15).

It is only late, after you have been baptised into the body of believers in Mormonism, that you begin to understand some of the deeper truths, because before baptism, you've really only scratched a little of the surface. When you learn about what goes on in the Temples, about each Mormon becoming a god, and populating his part of the universe, by procreating with the many women he has married in the temples here on the earth, and other things such as that God is really the first Adam, you will find you've joined a lovely group, but the group as friendly as they seem to be, are really inundated by spiritualism, going against the words of Moses in Deuteronomy 18, and many other things that prove the teachings antipodal to truth found in the Scriptures.

FB: Son, I believe I have an open enough mind to gather truth in. I would like to know how you know you are more correct.

 

[Rescued One]

FB: Son, I believe I have an open enough mind to gather truth in. I would like to know how you know you are more correct.

When one seeks to know truth from God he doesn't accept words of men or demons that contradict what God has already told us.

Isaiah 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

"I am going on in my progress for eternal life. It is not only necessary that you should be baptized for your dead, but you will have to go through all the ordinances for them, the same as you have gone through to save yourselves. There will be 144,000 saviors on Mount Zion, and with them an innumerable host that no man can number." -Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 366

"the only men who become gods, even the Son of God, are those who enter into polygamy" -Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269

man is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords in embryo - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 10:223

Man can become like God. In each of us is the potentiality to become a god - Spencer W. Kimball, Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball p. 26

 

[LaurelTree]

They use six lessons called Discussions which are designed to lure people in. If someone joins and actually uses his or her noggin to think instead of blindly follow, they'll spot the false teachings. But once you have been lured in, you are told that if you were worthy, you wouldn't have doubts. This guilt trip works on some.

I resent you saying lured, Every religion has a way of spread the gospel and if what you say is fact than all religions lure there members. I thought the lord said it was teaching....

 

[AMMON]

I resent you saying lured, Every religion has a way of spread the gospel and if what you say is fact than all religions lure there members. I thought the lord said it was teaching....

Amen.

 

[LaurelTree]

I am a Roman Catholic deacon, and many of those to whom I minister have met with and been converted by the Mormon missionaries. Curious as to what the fervor was, I have also been meeting with them. Much of what they have to say is very intersting, and I respect their dedication in their beliefs (if only more Catholics would do the same ). Nevertheless, their doctrine seems so unusual from that which I have been taught. And yet, at the same time, the words I read in their Mormon book seem, in many ways, very consistent with teachings of Christ. Needless to say, I'm confused because of that which many write in here and that which I've been taught. In the end, I can see now why so many of my acquaintences have been baptized Mormon. They are very good at what they do, these Mormon missionaries, and more importantly, they SINCERELY believe what they teach. This makes their presentation extremely powerful.

Que les vayan con Dios.

I use to be roman catholic for 21 years, and I felt the very same way as you did. Thank you for your thoughts

 

[LaurelTree]

They are not Christians ,they worship a different god and jesus.
They deny the creeds

The problem is they have adapted the language of the church to mean different things. It sounds orthodox but it is not.

Unfortunately we live in an age when many people do not really know what the bible says..So the idea of a new gospel seems just fine.

I would suggest taking some time to read their doctrine , you will quickly see it is not Christian

Actually We believe in God the father and his son Jesus Christ who died for our sins so that we could repent and return to our father in heaven. Unlike most people when they join a church I studied the mormon church & its history, I didnt just go on what my religion taught me or what people said. I went higher up than that, I went to my father in heaven, I knelt & prayed,Studied, fasted and recieve an answer from the lord.
I suggest the same thing to anyone joining any religion, pray, fast and research, but most of all go to your father in heaven. If it is right he will manifest the truth unto you....


Just my thoughts
Laureltree

 

[AMMON]

How do you have a rep of 72 with only 21 posts?

 

[LaurelTree]

Not sure, still havent figure this out
Probably because I donated but not sure....I still get lost in this place. What pages are we allowed on any ways ?

 

[Wrigley]

I resent you saying lured, Every religion has a way of spread the gospel and if what you say is fact than all religions lure there members. I thought the lord said it was teaching....

Do mormons and Christian preach the same Gospel?

Do Mulsims and Hindu preach the same gospel?

You say the "Every religion has a way of spread(ing) the gospel..."

Do all religions spread the same gospel, just differnetly?

 

[Rescued One]

I resent you saying lured, Every religion has a way of spread the gospel and if what you say is fact than all religions lure there members. I thought the lord said it was teaching....

If it is false doctrine, it is not of the Lord.

1 Peter 5
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[Swart]

How do you have a rep of 72 with only 21 posts?

Do I detect a note of "reputation envy" Ammon?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

How do you have a rep of 72 with only 21 posts?

LOL, why do you care? Are you trying to get the most "rep" points available? lol, oh that is too funny, thanks for the laugh, I get a kick out of it, just like when I watch my kids fight over who got more ice cream in their bowl for desert.

 

[Wrigley]

LOL, why do you care? Are you trying to get the most "rep" points available? lol, oh that is too funny, thanks for the laugh, I get a kick out of it, just like when I watch my kids fight over who got more ice cream in their bowl for desert.

Doesn't that fit with the mormon idea of working his/her own salvation out?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Doesn't that fit with the mormon idea of working his/her own salvation out?

Things that make you go hhhhhhhhhmmmm

 

[Swart]

Things that make you go hhhhhhhhhmmmm

Things that make you go

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Things that make you go

swart, in responce to your post on another thread, I have to say that this comment of yours does not fit within your own stated "rules" of debate. I am sorry but do you have "solid evidence" to back up your statement? Is this comment of yours one that you, yourself would consider "logical" or would you need a lesson on "logic" because of this statement of yours? By your own "rules of debate", is that statement really appropriate for a debate forum? I mean, all of us "unlogical" folks here on the forum don't mind but for you "logical" and "intellectual" folks that like to use words like "ad homin", is your statement really up to par?

Seriously, you need to lighten up a bit. Come on, don't be afraid to join in with the fun and lightheartedness that us "illogical" folks experience now and then.

Grace

 

[Swart]

swart, in responce to your post on another thread, I have to say that this comment of yours does not fit within your own stated "rules" of debate. I am sorry but do you have "solid evidence" to back up your statement? Is this comment of yours one that you, yourself would consider "logical" or would you need a lesson on "logic" because of this statement of yours? By your own "rules of debate", is that statement really appropriate for a debate forum? I mean, all of us "unlogical" folks here on the forum don't mind but for you "logical" and "intellectual" folks that like to use words like "ad homin", is your statement really up to par?

Seriously, you need to lighten up a bit. Come on, don't be afraid to join in with the fun and lightheartedness that us "illogical" folks experience now and then.

Grace

This is called "reversal of the invective". You take another's post, and reflect it back making as few changes as possible. This demonstrates that the argument works amply well in either direction, and therefore is a null argument.

I like to "join the fun". Also, I think you will find more than a few of my posts contain a degree of tongue-in-cheek. Particularly my responses to BG. But for a post to be "fun", it really should be inclusive humour, not humour at another's expense.

IMO logic is not something that is learnt, only clarified. All people make logical remarks most of the time. All of us are guilty of false logic at least some of the time. Being able to identify and recognise its use is a handy tool. I find it useful in evaluating critical literature. If the logic doesn't hold up, then the content can't either.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

This is called "reversal of the invective". You take another's post, and reflect it back making as few changes as possible. This demonstrates that the argument works amply well in either direction, and therefore is a null argument.

I like to "join the fun". Also, I think you will find more than a few of my posts contain a degree of tongue-in-cheek. Particularly my responses to BG. But for a post to be "fun", it really should be inclusive humour, not humour at another's expense.

IMO logic is not something that is learnt, only clarified. All people make logical remarks most of the time. All of us are guilty of false logic at least some of the time. Being able to identify and recognise its use is a handy tool. I find it useful in evaluating critical literature. If the logic doesn't hold up, then the content can't either.

Swart, I can appreciate the fact that you are doing your darndest to appear "intellectual" and "well read" but seriously, you will get a lot farther with folks if you just start using everyday words and lay off the LDS FARMS Apologist phrases. They really aren't that impressive. And you always trying to tell everyone the "proper scholorly" terms for their postings is not only NOT impressive but quite pretentious as well. If you are looking for recognition from FARMS for being able to talk just like them, I will gladly send them a note on your behalf and let them know that you are a terrific carbon of them but just do me a favor...when you are posting to me, refrain from the condesending, self-superior, uppudy "I am a genious" talk and just talk like a regular person. Thanks,

Grace