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Messianic Judaism and the Trinity

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Well ... God is not the Author of confusion.

On a basic level I could never entertain the monotheism of, say, followers of Islam. A very lonely self-absorbed unloving god which they have and the one who spends most of eternity, ALL ON HIS little OWN! No! "In the beginning was God" - (Elohiim - plural) and before anything else was made, by the Son of His Love.

In the real Lord's prayer, John 17, Jesus wasn't talking to Himself! He speaks of a Oneness with the Father Who loves Him and prays for His disciples to be One with Them even as He and the Father are One. That is still in the future for us because the Bride hasn't become the Wife, yet, in the Spiritual sense! Read the parable of the wise and foolish virgins - Matthew 25

Jesus, the Originator of Life (Acts 3:15) didn't pray to Himself in Gethsemane and not because He felt mortified over the prospect of having nails spiked into His wrists and feet. He knew that His fellowship with the Father would be riven in a manner that would be equivalent to experiencing eternal separation for a sinner cast into hell. While He was there, the Father was reconciling the world to Himself through His Son as His High Priest and Atoning Sacrifice. Jesus also demonstrated, in Gethsemane, that He had a will and that His Father had another will! He always deferred to His Father's will - they are, after all, not the same Person! Unlike schizophrenics, He wasn't debating with Himself! He was suffering the prospect of broken fellowship, something that not many Christians take seriously enough in their own walk. Jesus learned obedience through suffering - and that was obedience to the Father's will (Heb 5 : 8) and we are called to learn the same walk by denying ourselves.

On that Cross, He prayed to His Father, and in the period of darkness He prayed to Eli (My God) and then when it was "FINISHED" still on the Cross, He was able to pray to His Father to Whom He commended His Spirit.

Regarding the notion offered in the forum that the planet was given to Jesus as a gift is TOTALLY eclipsed by Jesus' own words; "ALL Authority has been given to Me in Heaven and on earth!" Matthew 28 : 18

Most Christians spend more time in other people's books rather than the Inspired Scriptures. That is why so many are confused. The tangible relationship available now, is through the Holy Spirit, the Comforter and the One promised to us by Jesus. Sent that we might be led to the Father along Life's narrow way.

Our Heavenly Father has NO grandchildren!
 
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Now that you have that off your chest, do you feel better? You do know that your preaching is not allowed on this section of the forum?
 
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Non Messianics are not allowed to teach or debate in this forum.

Now there's a law!!!!!!!!

The Law was given through Moses but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ

Read what I wrote again! Of-course I am Messianic and wish to assert what I believe to be clear; Jesus IS the Messiah and King of the Jews as well as the Heavens and the whole Earth!! Praise His Name!

Have a good day ...... for every day we have a Sabbath Rest in the New Covenant.

George Kosinski, born in Ballachullish and lived in Israel for nine years - a place worth visiting.
 
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Perhaps I should have been clearer... those who the correct icon have the kind of freedom CF allows on this section of the forum that you are using without proper icon.
 
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In addition, if you are not a member of this faith group, you may not debate issues or teach, you may post in fellowship. Members may not teach against established MJ theology... Active promotion of views contrary to the established teachings of this group will be considered off topic and subject to staff action.
 
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Thank you. I didn't see anything in the rules that I breached. As a "Newbie" I thought that qualified me as a new member! Did I write anything that was contrary to scripture??

Where do I claim my "icon"? Even though postings are allowed "in fellowship" for non members.

I may be listed as having zero power, but God's "power is perfected in weakness".
 
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Do you see that "cross" under your name... do you see the "scroll" under mine. Go to the upper blue line where you see [User CP] click on that, then [edit your details] on the left, click on that. Make you faith icon choice here.
Christian, Denomination Or Other Faith Icon
Please choose your church, denomination or faith.
And that is how you can change your faith icon.
 
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Perhaps I should have been clearer... those who the correct icon have the kind of freedom CF allows on this section of the forum that you are using without proper icon.
Visionary, I think your ignoring what was determined in the 'icon' thread just this last July.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7757526-14/#post63557288

You were in that thread vis.

This person needs no icon change to partake in this sub-forum of Messianic Judaism. Not unless he is blatantly opposing the whole of MJ. He certainly appears NOT to be this type of newbie. He appears to want to share, and that is what this forum is for. A bridge. Please let him pass without further undue attention, thank you.
 
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Amen to the final red highlighted comment! But I have some questions for you? How does this relate to Israel?

Will the bride be Israel, or the Church, or both?

Will Israel be reconciled to God through Messiah as well?

Will God mend the broken fellowship he has with Israel today?

Regarding the notion offered in the forum that the planet was given to Jesus as a gift is TOTALLY eclipsed by Jesus' own words; "ALL Authority has been given to Me in Heaven and on earth!" Matthew 28 : 18
You completely lost me here, where in this forum is that notion presented?

The tangible relationship available now, is through the Holy Spirit, the Comforter and the One promised to us by Jesus. Sent that we might be led to the Father along Life's narrow way.
Again, Amen!
 
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I ask forgiveness, didn't realize just how open it was here...
 
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I guess I have always looked at it this way. I am Rob. I am one person. Yet to my wife I am a Husband, to my sons I am a father and to my Father I am a son...

I am not 3 different people I am one person yet I have 3 uniquely distinct and different roles that make me appear very, very different roles. In all 3 roles are completely different and not at all the same. I do not behave with my sons or my father relationally the same way I do as my wife. Nor do I relate the same way with my wife as I do my father. And my sons relate completely differently than either my wife or my father.
 
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