Messianic Jew (OPEN)

[Dvorah27]

Absolutely anyone can become Messianic.

To become Jewish though; you either are born; or you convert.

The only people doing conversions are the Orthodox, Conservative and Reform Judaisms - not Messianic Judaism.

If you already have faith in Y'shua; you need only then obey His commandments.

No need to change ethnicity; G-d says even those of the nations who obey His voice and commands is blessed.

"Many are called but few are the chosen"

Conversion is a man-made thing, certainly something somebody can do if they WANT to, but Biblically you are a Jew as soon as you believe in Yeshua as your Messiah. It doesn't matter if you are of pure pagan stock, you are a Jew or Jewess if you believe in the God of Israel.

 

[visionary]

True biblical jewishness is the character that develops from studying the Word of God, studying and living by the Laws of God, and believing in Yeshua fulfilled the spring type feasts and will return in the fulfillment of the fall feasts.

 

[Sephania]

Conversion is a man-made thing, certainly something somebody can do if they WANT to, but Biblically you are a Jew as soon as you believe in Yeshua as your Messiah. It doesn't matter if you are of pure pagan stock, you are a Jew or Jewess if you believe in the God of Israel.

Not so my dear, pray tell what does it make a Jew when one believes that Yeshua is his promised Messiah?

 

[Dvorah27]

Not so my dear, pray tell what does it make a Jew when one believes that Yeshua is his promised Messiah?

No need to be snide, what I was saying that whether or not you are born a Jew you are considered according to God's word to be a Jew once you believe. So, if you come from pure pagan stock you are still a Jew if you believe in Yeshua as your Messiah, you are grafted in.

 

[Snowy]

No need to be snide, what I was saying that whether or not you are born a Jew you are considered according to God's word to be a Jew once you believe. So, if you come from pure pagan stock you are still a Jew if you believe in Yeshua as your Messiah, you are grafted in.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

No need to be snide, what I was saying that whether or not you are born a Jew you are considered according to God's word to be a Jew once you believe. So, if you come from pure pagan stock you are still a Jew if you believe in Yeshua as your Messiah, you are grafted in.

It sounds lke you're saying our nationality changes when we become a believer.

 

[Dvorah27]

It sounds lke you're saying our nationality changes when we become a believer.

I've talked about this before on other parts of this forum, but Messianics pretty much already know this, so I'll post a link that explains it in so much detail that there can be no misunderstanding. (basically all he says, though, is summed up in exactly what I said.)

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1999/1072_Who_is_a_True_Jew_Part_2/

 

[Snowy]

I've talked about this before on other parts of this forum, but Messianics pretty much already know this, so I'll post a link that explains it in so much detail that there can be no misunderstanding. (basically all he says, though, is summed up in exactly what I said.)

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1999/1072_Who_is_a_True_Jew_Part_2/

John Piper is one of my favorite's

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I've talked about this before on other parts of this forum, but Messianics pretty much already know this, so I'll post a link that explains it in so much detail that there can be no misunderstanding. (basically all he says, though, is summed up in exactly what I said.)

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1999/1072_Who_is_a_True_Jew_Part_2/

I would like the thoughts of some of the other Messianic members on this article please....Shimshon, Henaynei, Charles, Tishri, P_G, Torah, mpossoff, ..... If you've already given your thoughts elsewhere a link to it would work. If you want to PM me that would be fine too.

Thanks

 

[Dvorah27]

Snowy, I love your Avatar.

 

[Tishri1]

I would like the thoughts of some of the other Messianic members on this article please....Shimshon, Henaynei, Charles, Tishri, P_G, Torah, mpossoff, ..... If you've already given your thoughts elsewhere a link to it would work. If you want to PM me that would be fine too.

Thanks

can I plead the fifth

It was a nice article and my desire is that we would all be one in Messiah, however ABBA and Yeshua want us to be

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Having an opinion is not bad. I believe I understand what scripture means when it says "But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God." I'm not sure that I agree with the article though. I think a lot of stretching is being done.

However, I like to get differing opinions. Especially from those that I'm use to reading and trust. I know even among you there are differing opinions but if possible I would like to know what are your opinions.

If you don't want to answer that is fine. I don't want arguing. The article just does not seem quite right to me. But maybe it's just me. Sometimes it takes me longer than some.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

I would like the thoughts of some of the other Messianic members on this article please....Shimshon, Henaynei, Charles, Tishri, P_G, Torah, mpossoff, ..... If you've already given your thoughts elsewhere a link to it would work. If you want to PM me that would be fine too.

Thanks

First to get the context Paul is talking to Jews only here. I believe he's not even talking or referring that Gentiles can become Jews or 'spiritual' Jews. And I don't think he's saying that believers become 'spiritual' Jews. And that God doesn't distinguish between Jew or Gentile in any way.

Since he was talking to Jews and not gentiles I believe it's apparent that Paul is not even referring to ethnicity.

Being a Jew outwardly means nothing to God. In Deut He commands being born again, circumcison of your heart.

Deuteronomy 10:16 -- "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiffnecked no longer."

Deuteronomy 30:6 -- "And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."

Marc

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Thank you Marc

 

[NHisHands]

This whole post has been extremely helpful to me. I stayed up into the early morning hours to read all this and look up each of the links given. Even though this post isn't directed at me, I thank you all for all the helpful advice and links.

 

[Sephania]

B"H

No need to be snide, what I was saying that whether or not you are born a Jew you are considered according to God's word to be a Jew once you believe. So, if you come from pure pagan stock you are still a Jew if you believe in Yeshua as your Messiah, you are grafted in.

It was an honest question, nothing snide about it. If you don't know how to answer that, it's fine. I have to say I don't follow your line of reasoning. It is a Jewish thing to believe in our Messiah, but as a gentile I don't know how believing in the Jewish Messiah makes you one.

 

[Kalanit]

As A gentile, I do not believe I become a Jew when I believe in Y'shua. I'm still a Gentile. I become spiritual offspring of Avraham, because, like him, I come into the Kingdom through Faith. That Faith happens to be revealed through the Jewish people. I'm still a Gentile though. I'm adopted, I'm grafted in... I come from 'the Nations" and I join my faith to the Faith of the Jewish people.

Now, out of all the ethnic Jews - the physical Nation of Israel - some are Jews inwardly (in faith) and outwardly (ethnicity.) Others are Jews outwardly (ethnicity) but NOT inwardly. Take Howard Stern. He may have the nose and curly hair... but that dude is far from being 'Kosher' in the sight of G-d! He is a Jew outwardly - but a Pagan inwardly. It doesn't matter if he makes his kids go through Bar/ Bat Mitzvah... or if he circs on the 8th day... he is a Pagan in his heart.

His ethnicity will not get him a free ticket into the Kingdom.

 

[Sephania]

lol, not all of us have the nose or curly hair kalanit, just as some have found Messiah and others have not ............yet.

 

[Kalanit]

haha ... um, well, I don't think Howard Stern ever will... but G-d can do miracles.

 

[visionary]

When I first really got into studying for myself, that verse struck my gentile heart.... I was given a heart felt desire to know what and how to be a "spiritual jew", Not one outwardly but the true circumcision of the heart. Since my spiritual journey has brought me this far, I have experienced a sense of contentment when it comes to the "spiritual jew" question. MJ is probably the closest I have been to the realisation in my life what what the living example of "spiritual jews" is.