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I thought MJ existed by certain rules. Roman Catholics generally don't consider themeselves attached to Judaism in any way. In Eastern Europe, where I came from, even the idea of Jewish Jesus was controversial. Personally I know a couple of converts and none of them can be called Messianic. They're Jews by birth, but they have completely forsaken their heritage and religion. I thought MJ was Torah observant Christians. No?We have Hebrew Christians on this area of the forum who consider themselves to be Messianics.. It is like this.. if you are leaving Judaism as a Jew and find Jesus, even a catholic version, to be your savior, can you call yourself a Messianic Jew. Messianic meaning you believer Jesus is your messiah, and Jew because of your bloodline. Or should I delete that Jew because he didn't keep his Judaism when he became a catholic?
No. They should be classified in their proper denomination. A Jewish born Catholic could be considered a Messianic, but he/she does not belong in the MJ's denomination or Judaism for that matter(unless that individual decides to leave the Church behind). He/she is a Catholic.So should I delete those Jews who have forsaken Judaism for a "Jesus"
I agree with you but it was a hard battle here on the forum over this very issue and hence the answer was a subforum for those who are not Judaism Messianic faith.No. They should be classified in their proper denomination. A Jewish born Catholic could be considered a Messianic, but he/she does not belong in the MJ's denomination or Judaism for that matter(unless that individual decides to leave the Church behind). He/she is a Catholic.
I agree with you but it was a hard battle here on the forum over this very issue and hence the answer was a subforum for those who are not Judaism Messianic faith.
It really is a non issue. It's just common sense. A convert who leaves Judaism behind becomes Hebrew Muslim or Buddist or whatever, but he can't be both.I agree with you but it was a hard battle here on the forum over this very issue and hence the answer was a subforum for those who are not Judaism Messianic faith.
Noo... Hebrew Christians are Jews who have taken on the faith without JudaismI think you meant: a subforum for those who are Judaism Messianic faith.
Noo... Hebrew Christians are Jews who have taken on the faith without Judaism
So... then I will clarify those Jews who accepted for Jesus without Judaism.The disciples were Jews of Judaism. The first converts were called converts to Judaism before they were called Christians. Hundreds of years later the disciples were called Judaizers. The New Covenant does not exclude Judaism as its origins and beliefs. What I have said is in our bibles and history. True Christianity is the fulfillment of the Judaic faith.
So... then I will delete all those Jews who abandon their Judaism for Jesus.
In this thread we are trying to collect all the history of the faith, not the branches that the Lord would/will break off. If a Jew brings to the table the richness of the Hebrew language and understanding to those who profess faith in Jesus, it that a help or a hindrance to spiritual understanding?God will not abandon any of those of the Old Covenant that are His. But we now have a New Covenant to go by. The "true" Christians did not abandon Judaism. Simply put, the New Covenant brought about some changes.
I don't know about that, but I do know that conversion away from Judaism does not translate well to subsquent generations. It simply dies. We have examples of forced mass converions in Portugal, Spain and the Middle East. In each of these cases Judaism did not survived the process. Whatever Jews bring to the table seem of little value compared to what is lost from the Jewish table.If a Jew brings to the table the richness of the Hebrew language and understanding to those who profess faith in Jesus, it that a help or a hindrance to spiritual understanding?
In this thread we are trying to collect all the history of the faith, not the branches that the Lord would/will break off. If a Jew brings to the table the richness of the Hebrew language and understanding to those who profess faith in Jesus, it that a help or a hindrance to spiritual understanding?
The Smyrnaeans Christians kept the Sabbath while Rome was adding Sunday...
History - Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (Smyrnaean Orthodox)
I don't know about that, but I do know that conversion away from Judaism does not translate well to subsquent generations. It simply dies. We have examples of forced mass converions in Portugal, Spain and the Middle East. In each of these cases Judaism did not survived the process. Whatever Jews bring to the table seem of little value compared to what is lost from the Jewish table.
I thought MJ existed by certain rules. Roman Catholics generally don't consider themeselves attached to Judaism in any way.
In Eastern Europe, where I came from, even the idea of Jewish Jesus was controversial.
Personally I know a couple of converts and none of them can be called Messianic. They're Jews by birth, but they have completely forsaken their heritage and religion.
In this thread we are trying to collect all the history of the faith, not the branches that the Lord would/will break off. If a Jew brings to the table the richness of the Hebrew language and understanding to those who profess faith in Jesus, it that a help or a hindrance to spiritual understanding?
Roman Catholics generally don't consider themeselves attached to Judaism in any way.
Actually, it is quite the opposite. AHC Home
Not to mention some of the most outstanding works on the Jewish root of Christianity have been written by RC scholars.
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