Why do you assume Pentecost/Shavuot occurred on a Sunday?of the count of Pentecost. Believe all references are to that. In this case, it was a sunday.
Here's a comparison of useage -The Pharisee fasted "twice of a Sabbath period", a figure of speech for "twice in a period of seven days of which Sabbath is the highest point in the period of time". Secondly, "sabbatou" (singular) is used in Lk 18:12 which contrasts with the plural used otherwise as "sabbaton".
Why would Greeks even use the term "Sabbath" -- they were not typically Jewish. One would need to reference the terminology of Hellenized Jews, to allow for Semiticisms.In my opinion, there is no reference to a "week" (on its own) in the NT. Contemporary Greek usage shows ebdoma* was the word used for "week".
Can you translate that into English, or Greek and English ?, to my knowledge.
We all inject our own interpretation to some degree, so we'll have to agree to disagree.Now you're injecting your own interpretation. You're right about this particular verse, but your reasoning is flawed. They were Jews writing mainly to Jews. I doubt anyone was confused... No, but it means that when transliterated, there's going to be the same similarities.... Etymology says alot about a culture's beliefs, so ignoring the etymology, and assuming they wouldn't carry it over to another language seems kind of silly...
Why do you assume Pentecost/Shavuot occurred on a Sunday?
שבעת
Can you translate that into English, or Greek and English ?
I am of the perspective that Shavuot/Pentecost occurs 7 weeks after the beginning of the count the day after the High Sabbath - not the weekly sabbath.Because if you count it according to the scriptures, it always lands on a Sunday. Karaite Jews still always celebrate it on Sunday... Karaite Korner - Shavuot (Feast of Weeks)
I am of the perspective that Shavuot/Pentecost occurs 7 weeks after the beginning of the count the day after the High Sabbath - not the weekly sabbath.
I have no problem with traditional interpretations of scripture unless scripture clearly points out that the traditional understanding is incorrect.Interesting that you follow the Rabbinic method for dating it...
Counting of the Omer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I would have figured Karaite Judaism would have appealed more to those who think scripture trumps tradition... (as Rabbinic Jews of course follow oral tradition)
Why do you assume Pentecost/Shavuot occurred on a Sunday?
Thanks you're correct about the 15th - I had a brain hiccup.
Yes, the 14th is Passover, and 15th is unleavened bread. So in my timeline:
14th - Passover, death & burial at the end of the 14th
15th - First Day of Unleavened Bread (High Sabbath), no burial, no work allowed on this day
16th - Messiah in tomb
17th - Messiah in tomb until His resurrection at the end of the 17th
18th - weekly sabbath, women & Peter saw empty tomb; Messiah met with Peter etc on road to Emmaus. Messiah met with the apostles in the upper room.
I am of the perspective that Shavuot/Pentecost occurs 7 weeks after the beginning of the count the day after the High Sabbath - not the weekly sabbath.
The LXX does not state that the count begins with the weekly sabbath in Lev 23:15, which you interpolated in your post.See post #169.
I'm suggesting a reinterpretation of how Messiah fulfilled firstfruits.You've now finally hit upon a problem with your 'timeline'. Your types don't match reality. You've got Messiah still in the tomb on firstfruits, the day after the High Sabbath, which began the count to pentecost (in your view).
I'm suggesting a reinterpretation of how Messiah fulfilled firstfruits.
I suggest that, while Messiah's body was still in the tomb on firstfruits, Messiah's spirit was presented in the heavenly Temple as the wave and burnt offering to YHWH, on behalf of and to accept those who are faithful in Him.
His glorified body was not yet ascended.Hmmm, two reasons to reject that. It sounds too spiritual without the reality of the God-with-us in the flesh. Christ said touch the wounds. It doesn't fit with John 20:17.
Jesus saith unto her [Mary], Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Because if you count it according to the scriptures, it always lands on a Sunday. Karaite Jews still always celebrate it on Sunday...
Karaite Korner - Shavuot (Feast of Weeks)
the oldest one in existence is an inaccurate Samaritan copy of the Torah,To add to this, technology is fun, it offers insight that we otherwise wouldn't have. Like being able to compare words from the oldest Bible in existence, and being able to translate things between several ancient and modern languages.
This thread also died fairly suddenly
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