Message for muslim Allah

[Nithavela]

Hello, Nithavela,

Well, if you do so, i shall have to both pray for your body and soul, and for the sake of truth. Indeed, however merciful is our God, i'm not sure He will choose mercy, and as Hazelelponi reminds us there's this commandment :

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[peter2]

If I were to repeat this pointless exercise with the christian god

Seems to me then the ball played would be in God's court. Subsequently, i can't answer your question without depriving God from His sovereignty, sorry to be embarrassed

 

[Nithavela]

Seems to me then the ball played would be in God's court. Subsequently, i can't answer your question without depriving God from His sovereignty, sorry to be embarrassed

I'm asking you about your reaction to the hypothetical scenario of me demanding god to "strike me down if he exists" and the subsequent reality of me not being striken down in any discernible way. I don't want you to tell me what god would do in the first place, but what you would do in such a scenario.

 

[peter2]

I'm asking you about your reaction to the hypothetical scenario of me demanding god to "strike me down if he exists" and the subsequent reality of me not being striken down in any discernible way.

I think i perfectly understood

I don't want you to tell me what god would do in the first place

I know. Andf what's more, i repeat you i haven't the answer. Therefore, i can't provide with it for you.

but what you would do in such a scenario.

i can only and morally repeat also, i can't admit this scenario for reality. Only God knows what would be his behavior in the first place, in such a scenario. i don't want to speculate on this behavior. Truly sorry

 

[Laodicean60]

Thank you Alex,

My message was not for God, but for Allah. I believe, yes, God can kill. As for Allah, i was testing his existence

Being a Christian why would you even try to tempt a God you don't believe in? Like nonbelievers who come on a Christian forum and are tempting a God that they don't believe in, to me it doesn't make sense. It will be like all of us mocking purple unicorns, but we don't why, because we know purple unicorns don't exist.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

True, I can not say much here about Islam, cos you know how some extremists might react, but you might be true on this.

yeah, it is easy for anyone to write anything but look for yourself in a proper religious studies library and you will find the info easily. Librarians are the experts to go to to find the proper documents and books. sometimes these books are already digitized and available to view.

Blessings.

 

[AlexB23]

yeah, it is easy for anyone to write anything but look for yourself in a proper religious studies library and you will find the info easily. Librarians are the experts to go to to find the proper documents and books. sometimes these books are already digitized and available to view.

Blessings.

Thank you.

 

[peter2]

Being a Christian why would you even try to tempt a God you don't believe in?

Hello, Laodicean.
To answer your question : for the sake of Truth, obviously.
And you, please, have you some purpose in your question ?

 

[JosephZ]

This is not true.

Based on the teachings of Islam, a Muslim will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy book, the Qur'an, instructs them to worship the God of Abraham. While they may reject the deity of Christ, that in no way changes who the one true God is; hence, Christians and Muslims are worshiping the same God. The God of Abraham.

The God of Islam is who Christians call Satan.

Muhammad was a false prophet, and his teachings were anti-Christ, but he was always referring to the same God that Jews and Christians were worshiping. This becomes quite evident when reading the Qu'ran and the hadiths. Despite Muhammad's false teaching, Muslims can trace their lineage back to Abraham, and since they put their faith in the same God that Abraham did, it would be incorrect for a Christian to call the God that Muslims worship Satan.

The only Christians technically accepted as being People of the Book are those who deny the divinity of Christ and do not worship Jesus as Lord. That's according to the Quran and ahadith...

For sake of being nice Muslims call Christians people of the Book, but it's a lie... They aren't according to the texts because they ascribe partners.

Denying the divinity of Christ has no bearing on whether or not a Christian belongs among the "People of the Book." The people of the book are considered those nations/people who received previous revelations from God through the prophets. Those who received these revelations may choose to reject what the prophets taught, but they will still be considered people of the book. There are both believers and unbelievers who are considered to be among the people of the book according to Islam.

 

[Laodicean60]

Hello, Laodicean.
To answer your question : for the sake of Truth, obviously.
And you, please, have you some purpose in your question ?

The purpose was stated plainly in the question, I still don't understand but I guess different strokes for different folks.

 

[peter2]

It will be like all of us mocking purple unicorns, but we don't why, because we know purple unicorns don't exist.

The purpose was stated plainly in the question, I still don't understand

Let me try and explain, then : we do know purple unicorns don't exist, but some people do believe muslim Allah exist. I'm trying to be of assistance

 

[peter2]

As catholic, i told a priest about this thread in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
He advised to have a comforting word for muslim believers.

Here is it, i hope it'll be soft enough :

i'm genuinely sorry if my action may have hurt someone.
This thread aimed at revealing where bewilderment is or is not. (It may be a failure)
For it's not an easy thing nowadays to avoid being led astray. However, i'm not pretending to guide anyone, but just to produce a test everyone will interpret according his/her criteria.
i still think it was worth

 

[Hazelelponi]

As catholic, i told a priest about this thread in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
He advised to have a comforting word for muslim believers.

Here is it, i hope it'll be soft enough :

i'm genuinely sorry if my action may have hurt someone.
This thread aimed at revealing where bewilderment is or is not. (It may be a failure)
For it's not an easy thing nowadays to avoid being led astray. However, i'm not pretending to guide anyone, but just to produce a test everyone will interpret according his/her criteria.
i still think it was worth

Hello Peter. I think you did very well with the thread.

Your new here but I used to be Muslim, I'm obviously apostate now, as I'm a born again believer in Christ, and I think you did a good job expressing yourself.

I understood you.

Just heads up, left wingers are good at Islamic propaganda (they have it memorized) but they don't know Islam.

 

[peter2]

I used to be Muslim, I'm obviously apostate now, as I'm a born again believer in Christ

Hello Hazelelponi,
i pay tribute to your conversion.
I assume it's a feat and i wish you personal fulfillment in christianism

 

[contratodo]

The reading of Deuteronomy 29:20 out loud in original Hebrew is interesting.
Together with Jeremiah 23:27 and Deuteronomy 28:43-44 we have to say that some of the people crying out "Allah Allah"
are actually Jews under the curse. They literally cry out "Curse! Curse!" without realizing it.
Also they literally bow down to a piece of stone in a box. Deuteronomy 28:64
In Gaza today you will hear all the time "Oh Allah, Oh Allah!", "Oh the curse, Oh the curse".

"And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee, and thou shalt fear day and night,
and shall have no assurance of thy life" Deuteronomy 28:66

Surely many Muslims are actually deceived Jews,
let us always pray that everyone be led to Christ.

 

[JosephZ]

They most certainly do not. I cannot stand this syncretistic mummery.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned how a Muslim will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy book, the Qur'an, instructs them to worship the God of Abraham. If Muslims aren't worshiping the one true God of Abraham, then who/what are they worshiping?

Below are a few verses from the Qur'an:

“We believe in God, and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.” (Qur'an 3:84)

"Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except he who fools himself?" We chose him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous. (Qur'an 130)

"We will worship thy God, the God of our forefathers Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, the One God; and unto Him will we surrender ourselves." (Qur'an 2:133)

With the above verses in mind, what god are they describing?

Muslim 'Allah' who is their ilah (singular, never a plural word), has no son. and 'Isa is simply a creation and as for the 'spirit' (it varies by muslim tafsirs)

Do you believe that Arab Christians are in error when they call God "Allah?" What about Bibles in Southeast Asia that use the word "Allah" rather than God?

And just for additional point, Islam is not, I repeat, not, an Abrahamic faith. Neither is Rabbinic talmudism for that matter.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called Abrahamic faiths because they trace their lineage specifically to Abraham, whereas most other religions do not.

When trying to answer the question as to whether or not Muslims worship the same God found in the Bible, it's not important what we believe as Christians; it's what the Muslim believes in their hearts and minds. Based on the teachings of both Judaism and Islam, a follower of either of these religions will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy books, the Torah and Qur'an, instruct them to worship the God of Abraham. As Jews and Muslims, they may reject the deity of Christ, but that in no way changes who the one true God is; hence, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all worshiping the same God. The God of Abraham. It would be laughable to even think that Jews aren't worshiping the one true God found in the Bible, and it should be equally as laughable to think that Muslims aren't as well since they, like the Jews, can trace their lineage back to Abraham and put their faith in the same God that Abraham did. There's a reason why Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called the Abrahamic faiths. Same Abraham. Same God. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[Robban]

Earlier in this thread I mentioned how a Muslim will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy book, the Qur'an, instructs them to worship the God of Abraham. If Muslims aren't worshiping the one true God of Abraham, then who/what are they worshiping?

Below are a few verses from the Qur'an:

“We believe in God, and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.” (Qur'an 3:84)

"Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except he who fools himself?" We chose him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous. (Qur'an 130)

"We will worship thy God, the God of our forefathers Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, the One God; and unto Him will we surrender ourselves." (Qur'an 2:133)

With the above verses in mind, what god are they describing?


Do you believe that Arab Christians are in error when they call God "Allah?" What about Bibles in Southeast Asia that use the word "Allah" rather than God?


Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called Abrahamic faiths because they trace their lineage specifically to Abraham, whereas most other religions do not.

When trying to answer the question as to whether or not Muslims worship the same God found in the Bible, it's not important what we believe as Christians; it's what the Muslim believes in their hearts and minds. Based on the teachings of both Judaism and Islam, a follower of either of these religions will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy books, the Torah and Qur'an, instruct them to worship the God of Abraham. As Jews and Muslims, they may reject the deity of Christ, but that in no way changes who the one true God is; hence, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all worshiping the same God. The God of Abraham. It would be laughable to even think that Jews aren't worshiping the one true God found in the Bible, and it should be equally as laughable to think that Muslims aren't as well since they, like the Jews, can trace their lineage back to Abraham and put their faith in the same God that Abraham did. There's a reason why Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called the Abrahamic faiths. Same Abraham. Same God. Seems pretty simple to me.

The area where I live is down by the head with Muslims.

One thing I have noticed is the Muslim women, just how devoted they are to the care of family.

They really go in for it,


Just the other day I came to the bus stop and there was a mother and four children all dressed in dazzling white,

I asked her if she was going to a wedding, she laughed friendly and said no but that is one of the girls their nirthday.


Here is an example of what the Rebbe was talking about when he said, "When God told Moses how to prepare the Jewish people to recieve

Torah on Shavuos, he instructed him to speak to the women first, for it was the women s commitment that would inspire the rest of the Jewish

people at the time of giving of the Torah-down through the ages.

It is not surprising that the preparation for Sinai was to begin from the women and girls,

For it is a fact of Human nature that the tone of the household is set mainly by the woman of the house.

That is why she is deemed in Torah "The foundation of the home"

The mainstay of the home.

So in this respect they fulfill there part in Torah.

I have more observations also,

 

[peter2]

it's not important what we believe as Christians; it's what the Muslim believes in their hearts and minds.

Hello Joseph,
i do agree with the preceeding quotation.
Indeed, The priest that gave me reconciliation added (true or false, (?) i don't enough know islam to deal with this) : The love of ennemy is not so much underlined in Islam than in christianism).
Is it ?
Indeed again, Jesus told once (Mt 7, 16-20) we shall know people by their fruit. Now, my feeling is obviously a subjective feeling, influenced by medias, and etc.. Yet however subjective it is, and to be blunt, i just don't feel very much the love of ennemy in the Islam i 've heard of, this love of ennemy which in my view sublimates the idea of God i personnally keep. There's a huge difference between a deity that teaches the love of ennemy, and the one that doesn't.

The area where I live is down by the head with Muslims.

i read also your post, Robban, and was delighted to read it. Must admit my knowledge of muslim world is more incidental than yours

 

[dzheremi]

May be Jonaitis, thank you

It's not "maybe" -- it definitely is. I am a member of a Church that has officially used Arabic in its services since 12th century. "Allah" is the Arabic equivalent of "God" in English, "Dios" in Spanish, "Gott" in German, etc. The issue is not the word, but the Islam-specific theology that Muslims have wrapped up in that word. They treat it like a proper name (like "Bob", or "Jane" or whatever) when it isn't, because their holy book tells them to. We don't do that, of course.

Let me have another try, please :

Muslim Allah, may you kill me, if you do exist

This is silly. The Islamic Allah is Muhammad's recension of God, based on what he (Muhammad) could accept, combined with his own pagan background and garbled versions of Christianity and Judaism that were popular in Arabia at his time. Obviously, then, the Islamic Allah does not exist, so it does not really 'mean' anything that nothing happens after you post this.

 

[JosephZ]

Indeed, The priest that gave me reconciliation added (true or false, (?) i don't enough know islam to deal with this) : The love of ennemy is not so much underlined in Islam than in christianism).
Is it ?
Indeed again, Jesus told once (Mt 7, 16-20) we shall know people by their fruit. Now, my feeling is obviously a subjective feeling, influenced by medias, and etc.. Yet however subjective it is, and to be blunt, i just don't feel very much the love of ennemy in the Islam i 've heard of, this love of ennemy which in my view sublimates the idea of God i personnally keep. There's a huge difference between a deity that teaches the love of ennemy, and the one that doesn't.

It's true that love for one's enemy isn't as pronounced in Islam, but it is there. Here are a few verses from the Quran and a couple of hadiths that show this to a certain extent.

"Good and evil are not equal. Repel evil with good, and the person who was your enemy becomes like an intimate friend." (Qur'an 41:34)

"The repayment for an injury is an injury equivalent to it: but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from God: for God loveth not those who do wrong." (Qur'an 42:40)

"O you who believe! Among your spouses and your children are enemies to you, so beware of them. But if you pardon, and overlook, and forgive; God is Forgiving and Merciful" (Quran 64:14)

“Do not be a people without a will of your own, saying: 'If people treat us well, we will treat them well; and if they do wrong, we will do wrong,' but accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and do not behave unjustly if they do evil.” -- Jami` at-Tirmidhi

"Jesus the son of Mary said 'Do not do to others what you do not like others to do to you, and if someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him your left cheek too'" -- Bihar al-anwar

Muhammad, being a merchant, was heavily influenced by the many Christian and Jewish traders he encountered during his travels. As a result, Islam shares many of the same beliefs and practices as Judaism and Christianity.