Melchizedek Connection, Royal Priesthood

[Mathetes the kerux]

Watching with you. Thought for sure you'd
have something to teach about this.



Thank you arph. Interesting observations.

Nah . . . I haven't done much here. I think Melch. is certainly a type of Christ, Hebrews pretty much settles this . . . but I don't think there is much warrant to see Him as an OT Christophany (a glimpse of the pre-incarnate Son). Hebrews calls him a man . . . but again . . . I haven't done much here and haven't ever really seen/read/heard much that has been convincing beyond the Scripture's enigmatic references.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad12
Hi Guys!

Sorry, but to me it's very simple: Melchizedek was Jesus "incognito" in the OT. He had no beginning of days, nor end of life. Only GOD has no beginning of days.

Please note, scripture does NOT say: " No recorded beginning of days." It says: "No beginning of days,"

If you think Christ was not present many times and in many ways in the OT, please note Paul's confirmation of the New Birth (the spirit of Christ in you) in all believers in the OT:

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
How bout the Covenantle parable of the "rich man/lazarus" which also seems to symolize a type of "Priesthood".

I've not studied that in particular, but there is indeed more than one kind of priesthood described in Scripture.

We have a study over on this thread concerning the Covenantle parable which I hope we can keep going and thanks for all that have replied to this thread!!! Peace

http://foru.ms/t4437955-lazarus-and-the-rich-man.html

 

[cyberlizard]

let me recommend to all a set of MP3 bible studies on the book of hebrews by DT Lancaster which can be downloaded from the internet if you google them or email me and i will send hem as attachment.... best hebrews study i have ever heard.


Steve

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

let me recommend to all a set of MP3 bible studies on the book of hebrews by DT Lancaster which can be downloaded from the internet if you google them or email me and i will send hem as attachment.... best hebrews study i have ever heard.


Steve

Hi Steve. I haven't heard of DT Lancaster so I will take a look see at him. Thanks.

Hierousalem (Strong's 2419) occurs 83 times in 80 verses:
ierou-salhm <2419> #2411 #4532 ["Priest of Peace"]

Matthew 24:1 And coming-out, the Jesus, from the Temple/ierou <2411>, and his disciples toward-come to show him the house-build of the temple,

Hebrews 7:1 For this the Melchisedek/melcisedek <3198> , King of Salem/salhm <4532>, Priest/iereuV of the God of the Most High/uyistou <5310>, the together-joining Abraham turning-back from the smiting of the kings, and did bless him

http://christianforums.com/t7135855-why-2-different-words-for-jerusalem-in-nt.html#post45889888

 

[Rhamiel]

so Jesus is a priest in the order of Melchizedek, and our royal priesthood is we are priests through our High Priest Jesus.
So what kind of priest was Melchizedek? what is our role as priests, prophets and kings

 

[sunlover1]

so Jesus is a priest in the order of Melchizedek, and our royal priesthood is we are priests through our High Priest Jesus.
So what kind of priest was Melchizedek? what is our role as priests, prophets and kings

Hi Rhamiel.
Our role? Probably would be mind boggling to really
comprehend all that God desires for us and from us.
But as we step out in faith, worshipping our God with
our lips, with our lives/substance, with all that we are
and have through Him, we will also begin to step out
into that power and be used more and more of God
in the areas you mentioned.
I doubt there are many if any of us here who take
the time to do what Jesus did, (including resisting
to the point of sweating blood).
So IMO, the more we die to self(not just talk about it )
and become more and more transformed into the image
of His dear son... we naturally realise more and more
the authority, the power for living, the anointing, etc.
that we are to be to others, show to others.
(just my theory, partly from experience)

Who is Melchisedech?


St. Jerome, Hebrew Questions on Genesis, 14:18-19: "And Melchisedech king of Salem... Because our little book is, in a word, a collection of Hebrew questions or traditions, let us therefore introduce what the Hebrews think about this. They declare that this man is Sem, the son of Noah, and by calculating the years of his life, they show that he lived up to the time of Isaac; and they say that all the first-born sons of Noah were priests before Aaron performed the priestly office. Next, by 'king of Salem' is meant king of Jerusalem, which was formerly called Salem."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

so Jesus is a priest in the order of Melchizedek, and our royal priesthood is we are priests through our High Priest Jesus.
So what kind of priest was Melchizedek? what is our role as priests, prophets and kings

Sounds like a good question to ask the JEWS since it is in their Scriptures.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Malkiy-Tsedeq/melcisedek <3198>, Hebrew 5:6, 10, 6:20, 7:1, 10, 11, 15, 17

Genesis 14:18 Now Malkiy-Tsedeq, king of Shalem, had brought forth bread and wine,--he being Priest of 'El-Most-High/'Elyown. 19 And he blessed him, and said, "blessed be Abram of 'El-most-high/'Elyown, possessor of heaven and land 20 And blessed be 'El-most-high/'elyown, who hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand". And he gave him a tenth of all.

Psalms 110:4 YHWH hath sworn and doth not repent, `Thou art a priest to the age, according to the order of Malkiy-Tsedeq
5 The Lord at thy right hand will strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

 

[Standing Up]

BUMP for discussion ...

 

[Rhamiel]

Sounds like a good question to ask the JEWS since it is in their Scriptures.

Scripture4all - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Malkiy-Tsedeq/melcisedek <3198>, Hebrew 5:6, 10, 6:20, 7:1, 10, 11, 15, 17

Genesis 14:18 Now Malkiy-Tsedeq, king of Shalem, had brought forth bread and wine,--he being Priest of 'El-Most-High/'Elyown. 19 And he blessed him, and said, "blessed be Abram of 'El-most-high/'Elyown, possessor of heaven and land 20 And blessed be 'El-most-high/'elyown, who hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand". And he gave him a tenth of all.

Psalms 110:4 YHWH hath sworn and doth not repent, `Thou art a priest to the age, according to the order of Malkiy-Tsedeq
5 The Lord at thy right hand will strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

my priest does a good job explaining what is ment by being baptised into the the Body of Christ
as King we have a responsibility to do what we think is right, and the line "i was only following orders" will not hold up in with God
as Prophet we know something and we have an obligation to tell it to the world
and as Priests, we have a direct line to God, we can pray directly to Him

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Subscribing.

Forgive me...

 

[a_ntv]

my priest does a good job explaining what is ment by being baptised into the the Body of Christ as King we have a responsibility to do what we think is right, and the line "i was only following orders" will not hold up in with God as Prophet we know something and we have an obligation to tell it to the world and as Priests, we have a direct line to God, we can pray directly to Him

Yes, in the Catholic Latin rite of the Baptism, immediately after the water baptism, the child is anointed with the Holy Chrism (the one consecrated by the bishop once a year) by the priest with these words:
N., N., God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ has freed you from sin, given you a new birth by water and the Holy Spirit, and welcomed you into his holy people. He now anoints you with the chrism of salvation. As Christ was anointed Priest, Prophet, and King, so may you live always as members of his body, sharing everlasting life.

This is the priesthood of all believers, that is a free sharing of the Christ priesthood, i.e. the priesthood of Melchisedek

 

[Rhamiel]

Yes, in the Catholic Latin rite of the Baptism, immediately after the water baptism, the child is anointed with the Holy Chrism (the one consecrated by the bishop once a year) by the priest with these words:
N., N., God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ has freed you from sin, given you a new birth by water and the Holy Spirit, and welcomed you into his holy people. He now anoints you with the chrism of salvation. As Christ was anointed Priest, Prophet, and King, so may you live always as members of his body, sharing everlasting life.

This is the priesthood of all believers, that is a free sharing of the Christ priesthood, i.e. the priesthood of Melchisedek

i am a priest forever in the order of Melchisedek, as a member of the Body Of Christ I am forever joined to Him, Christ the High Priest

 

[Standing Up]

i am a priest forever in the order of Melchisedek, as a member of the Body Of Christ I am forever joined to Him, Christ the High Priest

Does this mean you and others may offer the bread and wine?

 

[sunlover1]

let me recommend to all a set of MP3 bible studies on the book of hebrews by DT Lancaster which can be downloaded from the internet if you google them or email me and i will send hem as attachment.... best hebrews study i have ever heard.


Steve

Awesome, and thank you cyberlizard

 

[a_ntv]

Does this mean you and others may offer the bread and wine?

No, to celebrate the Mass is a service.
The sharing of the Melkisedek priesthood (the priesthood of all believers using a Catholic wording) is by far more:

Romans 12:1 I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your rational worship.
1Peter 2:5 and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Being part of the Melchisedek priesthod we are allowed to give all our live to Christ, as He did in His glorious Passion and Death. And we we have the same reward of Him: the resurrection
Luke 9:23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
Romans 8:17 and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me;

The priest celebrating the Mass is a service: in fact in the ordination rite the Aaronite Priestley, not the Melkisedek priesthood, is remembered, of course like an analogy only.

 

[Standing Up]

No, to celebrate the Mass is a service.
The sharing of the Melkisedek priesthood (the priesthood of all believers using a Catholic wording) is by far more:

Romans 12:1 I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your rational worship.
1Peter 2:5 and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Being part of the Melchisedek priesthod we are allowed to give all our live to Christ, as He did in His glorious Passion and Death. And we we have the same reward of Him: the resurrection
Luke 9:23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
Romans 8:17 and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me;

The priest celebrating the Mass is a service: in fact in the ordination rite the Aaronite Priestley, not the Melkisedek priesthood, is remembered, of course like an analogy only.

So, let me see if I understand.

Mass is a service, like the ordination rite of the Aaronic Priesthood. This is not for Christian believers.

Offer your body and spiritual sacrifices (which does not include Mass) is a Melchizedek Priesthood. This is for Christian believers.

Right?

Hadn't seen that before incidentally. If I were Baptist, I suppose I'd use Peter's words to confirm that bread and wine of Melchizedek Priesthood are spiritual sacrifices, which would be acceptable to God. If true, this, of course, begs the question, then what is Mass actually about?

 

[Standing Up]

let me recommend to all a set of MP3 bible studies on the book of hebrews by DT Lancaster which can be downloaded from the internet if you google them or email me and i will send hem as attachment.... best hebrews study i have ever heard.


Steve

He apparently sees that maybe Christ did die on Thursday, was buried on Friday, and resurrection on Sabbath as it ends. I've sent him an email this week to clarify, but he hasn't responded yet.

 

[Standing Up]

Acts 18:25 This man (Apollos from Alexandria Egypt) was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

He was corrected by Aquila and Priscilla about this, but what do you think it means to know only the baptism of John?

Paul runs into some of his disiciples and they didn't know about the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

So how would that work?

Baptism of John was repentance.

Baptism of Holy Spirit was what? What's the difference? Are these things connected to the priesthood of believer/Melchizedek? If you haven't heard of the Spirit, how can you be led by Him?

Thoughts? Comments?

 

[a_ntv]

So, let me see if I understand.

Mass is a service, like the ordination rite of the Aaronic Priesthood. This is not for Christian believers.

Offer your body and spiritual sacrifices (which does not include Mass) is a Melchizedek Priesthood. This is for Christian believers.

Right?

Yes, it is more or less the doctrine of the 60&#37; of the Christians in the world

In the Mass the sacrifice is always the same sacrifice of Christ Himself on the cross, so the celebrant by himself adds nothing to the sacrifice of Christ: it is only a service. The main celebrant of any Mass (who offers the sacrifice by the Melchisedek priesthood) is Christ Himself.

The celebrant, as well as any other Christians, can unite himself to the one Christ's sacrifice adding his own praise, fast, prayer, love, live.
(of course this "addition" is incomparably less than Christ's one and so it is technically useless, but anyway it is accepted and wished by the Lord, ... for the Father seeks these who worship him John4:23).
This own sacrifice of all the believers is possible because we Christians, by baptism, share the Melchisedek priesthood of Christ

Sometime the sign of our participation in the Mass is seen as the mingling of water in the wine.

 

[Standing Up]

Yes, it is more or less the doctrine of the 60% of the Christians in the world -snip-

So, in a sense all believers are in the Melchizedek priesthood, but RCC priests are also in the Aaronic priesthood. Right? If so, why? And are you sure this (RCC priest is Aaronic priesthood) is what RCC teaches?