maynard has found Jesus?

thts awesome wht he done. i hope he becomes strengthened through jesus. so thts 2 musician this year who have converted.

musicPhan#41 said:

no amen.

jesus could royally kick the dung out of anyone. you see, jesus is a part of God. and God is so rediculously holy that you gotta be careful around his presence. you might burn or freeze or something wicked like that.

even if MESHUGGAH are gods, God is the God of the 'gods' too. So, basically, they wish they could be in God's band. But their skills and levels of holiness won't allow for it.

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Well actually, there are no 4 people that can outplay Meshuggah, including jesus. i dont wanna say anythign offensive so ill shut up. see, this is the part were u gotta prove to me that god (Jesus) is better then meshuggah on a musical platform, i dont think u can do it.

absolutely_lost_86 said:

thts awesome wht he done. i hope he becomes strengthened through jesus. so thts 2 musician this year who have converted.

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haha if u mean Brian Welch (head from korn) as one of them ur wrong, cuase hes hardly a musician. Anyone with half a sense on how to play guitar can easily play wat he played.

musicPhan#41 said:

tool's purpose, i don't believe is to teach any truth. i think they are artists, musicians. if you asked them, i think they would tell you that tool is a band, and their purpose for being a band is to create music.

so....


you're a little off.

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noo ur a little off, if u have seen interveiws with them they would tell u just wat that atheist said.

actually i've gotta agree there. i don't think tool's purpose was EVER to 'just make music. maynard has always had something to say in his songs, with a definitive point behind it.

I definitely did not see this coming.
If this is the man's choice then so be it.
There is no doubt in my mind that he has thought this through.

MoreInSorrow said:

actually i've gotta agree there. i don't think tool's purpose was EVER to 'just make music. maynard has always had something to say in his songs, with a definitive point behind it.

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i do agree with you that maynard has always had a message. But is Maynard's message the entire reason for the band? no. The band, spiritually, isn't all on the same page. The different members have different beliefs. So i don't think the entire band has always had one, single-minded goal: preaching.

It's a band that is made up of different individuals who are very interested in the spiritual world, but i know that Carey and Maynard themselves, have differing beliefs.

and if you look at their last cd, Lateralus, it's obvious that first and foremost, they are making art. with that album, they backed off on the explicit language, and they made alot of really deep music, with lyrics that aren't easy to interpret. that, to me, doesn't sound like a band who is driven by the goal of teaching "THE REAL TRUTH"

to me, it sounds like a good band that wanted to make a good, deep album.

that may very well be the case with Lateralus. I haven't checked that one out very closely (READ: I don't have it), so I can't confirm or deny.

But based on their past work, even with differing beliefs, there can (and was) a common purpose of not sharing their specific beliefs, but rather, conveying their distaste for Christianity, and in general, all things God/religion. Even though Danny and Maynard had different belief systems, I think that's one this the whole band had in common.

MoreInSorrow said:

that may very well be the case with Lateralus. I haven't checked that one out very closely (READ: I don't have it), so I can't confirm or deny.

But based on their past work, even with differing beliefs, there can (and was) a common purpose of not sharing their specific beliefs, but rather, conveying their distaste for Christianity, and in general, all things God/religion. Even though Danny and Maynard had different belief systems, I think that's one this the whole band had in common.

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if you read about their history as a band. they got together to form a band and to make music.

they didn't meet in an anti-christian chat room and decide to start a band so that they could preach against christianity.

and i don't think they have ever been against any SPECIFIC religion, but rather, i think they have been against the idea of religion. They have found things within Christianity to attack because there really are things within modern "christianity" to attack. I think if you look deeper into their lyrics, you'll see that they don't really attacking God or a specific religion, as much as they attack man's approach to God, and religion, in general. They attack the apathetic, fake, hypocritical form of christianity. But i don't think maynard has ever been opposed to a radical christian who really strives every day to be like Christ. He's opposed to the american version of a christian, who goes to church once a week so that they can go to heaven.

Maynard is anti-conformity. his message has been "don't conform to the church".

and i support that message.

I think it's totally rad that he found the Lord. I don't want to offend anyone, but I want to quote one of his songs to see how far he's come:

"Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.
My God's will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you."

Maybe now that he's found the light it could be totally Jesus-centered and still rock out. Could you imagine!!!

I know it's hard to believe that someone like Maynard could find faith, but stranger things have happened. The Lord works in mysterious ways, you know. Personally, I think it takes a lot of courage to stand up and admit that you've been wrong and have now found the Way in Christ. I admire that and will be praying for Maynard.

It's totally brave. Maybe he knew all along! "Sprial out, keep going." Maybe he and the Korn guitarist could form a new band. I wonder if we could get Maynard to come speak to some younger kids so that they could hear the truth.

I looked up the lyrics to their albums, and I'm telling you that alot of his words talk about being born again. They all seem to deal with spiritual rebirth. Maybe the lord was using him as an instrument from the beginning. Take the song "4 degrees":
Life's just too short to push it away.
Take it all.
Take it all in.
All the way in.
Let it go.
Let it go in.
You won't feel what you'd like to feel.
Lay back and let me show you another way.

That's exactly how I felt when the Holy Ghost came through me.

I'm not so familiar with Maynard lyrics, so I'm not sure what that song is about. But we are all just God's instruments, so whatever Maynard has said in the past must be part of His plan.

Roo6339 said:

the guy who said you're a personal friend of carey... i don't mean to be skeptical, so don't take offense... but is there any way you could possibly prove it? i realise it'd be very hard to prove over a forum... i'm not attacking you and i don't doubt what you say... i'm just a little skeptical about it... i hope you understand...

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Ha Ha, didn't expect to get skepticism on a Christian forum. Anyway, I'm an ex-musician and was a writer for the website toolshed.down.net which to many Tool fans is better than the official site. I'm also personal friends with Dave Mustaine of Megadeth, Steve Austin of Today is the Day (a band affiliated with the band Lamb of God), also have worked for Century Media Records as a talent scout and for Relapse Records doing the same thing and have the distinction of being the person who found the band Mastodon. Beyond that I would have to give you my name, my social security number and so forth and if I have to do all of that for you to believe me, I won't fool with it. Don't you think if I wanted to sound really important that I would have said I was friends with Maynard? The friendship with Danny is because of our interest in drums and graphic arts. It's ok, I understand that people are programmed to question everything they hear but I have no reason to lie. I'm also probably older than most of you, (30) if that means anything. Ok now to what Danny has said today. With a laugh he said, "Yes, Maynard found Jesus". Me being skeptical of Danny's laugh at this point started to think. We know that Maynard is a spiritual man but we also know he has a hatred for the Catholic church. With the Pope's passing and so many people giving an image of the Pope being almost God-like, it's possible that Maynard may be making this into a joke by saying the Pope died so I found Jesus. That is pure speculation, myself, I come from a family where my grandfather was a Baptist minister but I have only been to a church maybe 10 times in my life. I don't consider myself anything except human. I do know and understand the work of Jesus and truly try to live the way I think he would want me to but having said that, I don't pray nor do I read the Bible. My last update on another website explained that if we are to believe that God gave Jesus for our sins than what right do I have to ask Him for anything else? So, now you know a little about me and maybe can see that I have no reason to post this about Tool unless I was doing it because I thought people would be interested in hearing it. I also wanted to bring a credible opinion outside of Christianity that wouldn't offend anyone. I see that there are already a few people posting on this topic that took Maynard and Tool's lyrics as being almost Satanic, I think someone even talked about Crowley in one part. Believe it or not, from what I know about Maynard he is a really normal guy who is a great father to his son. Also very well-mannered and soft-spoken. I am busy right now working on an update for another website and will check back in later tonight and post if I have heard anything. Thanks for not calling me a liar but instead asking me to prove it HA HA. I have a sense of humor so I understand. I will post later. The people talking about Meshuggah. I already have a copy of their new cd. I'll be brief, it's not as good as I expected it to be. Very machine-orientated, very digital sounding. I'm not saying it's not good but this may be a case of rushing an album out before they should have. Hope everyone has a good day.

musicPhan#41 said:

if you read about their history as a band. they got together to form a band and to make music.

they didn't meet in an anti-christian chat room and decide to start a band so that they could preach against christianity.

and i don't think they have ever been against any SPECIFIC religion, but rather, i think they have been against the idea of religion. They have found things within Christianity to attack because there really are things within modern "christianity" to attack. I think if you look deeper into their lyrics, you'll see that they don't really attacking God or a specific religion, as much as they attack man's approach to God, and religion, in general. They attack the apathetic, fake, hypocritical form of christianity. But i don't think maynard has ever been opposed to a radical christian who really strives every day to be like Christ. He's opposed to the american version of a christian, who goes to church once a week so that they can go to heaven.

Maynard is anti-conformity. his message has been "don't conform to the church".

and i support that message.

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This above is a VERY good post. From what I know you are right on this. I do know that Danny has made jokes about Maynard complaining about his Danny's, "obsession" with the occult. The don't conform is also right. That is what the song Aenima from the album of the same name is about. It also has a hint of Wicca/Paganism in the lyrics when he says, "Mother, wash them all away" in reference to Mother Earth of the Wicca/Paganism beliefs. I'm sorry if this next part is offensive but when he is talking about wash it down. He is speaking of the people who follow organized religion and will run out to be saved by God. He wants them all washed away. Back to work, sorry but thought this was a great post and wanted to say so.

"Ha Ha, didn't expect to get skepticism on a Christian forum."

Are you implying that we are all just sheepish followers who are unable to think for ourselves or question authority? and why would maynard say that people who follow organized religion should be washed away? I think that maybe those people who "worship" maynard in his "temple of rock" will be washed away first.

sorry for the tone, but I'm a little flustered right now.

HeIsMyRock said:

"Ha Ha, didn't expect to get skepticism on a Christian forum."

Are you implying that we are all just sheepish followers who are unable to think for ourselves or question authority? and why would maynard say that people who follow organized religion should be washed away? I think that maybe those people who "worship" maynard in his "temple of rock" will be washed away first.

sorry for the tone, but I'm a little flustered right now.

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My friend, I'm not implying anything except that I expect that Christians in general see people as good. That is why I put that I come from a Baptist family. I'm not downing Christians. If anything, I am trying to be an intelligent outside opinion who is not put Christians down. You see, what you just said shows that maybe in your heart that you feel you are a sheepish follower because nowhere in my post did I use those words or even imply them. Even worse, you just judged people. There is no temple of rock. Again, something you have made up in your head. No one worships Maynard or if they do they are sad and sick because he laughs in interviews when asked about fans that worship him. As for Maynard's lyrics, I took it that he is talking about the hypocritical Christians who judge (clears throat) others that will run out in the end time and he doesn't want them saved from the floods. By the way and I mean this as nicely as possible. You may need to seek some professional help you really showed a lot of insecurity in your post. I'm not trying to be anyone's enemy here so relax a little.

Well TruthinFiction, if you really do work at Relapse and found Mastodon, my hat goes off to you. I got Leviathan last week and can't get it out of my CD player. What a monstrous band with a monstrous sound. I can't wait until I see them live at Ozzfest. The more Christians at Ozzfest the better as I see it.

As for Maynard finding Jesus, maybe it is just a joke. There is obviously a lot of the Jung's Trickster archetype alive and kicking in that special little guy. On the other hand, maybe he really did "find Jesus." That could mean a lot of different things though. It could mean a regression into the pre-rational stance found in most of the Church. He may have realized that a Red Sea can be parted and water can turn to wine. It seems more likely to me that he would come to know Jesus not in a pre-rational way (where rationality is seen as an attacker), but in a post-rational way (where rationality is fully embraced and functional but is not the end-all-be-all). The lyrics of Lateralus suggest this: "Drawn beyond the lines of reason." Notice that it's "beyond" not "before." To truly see the impact of Christ on the world, one must tune into the mind of Christ which is the mind of the universe. The mind that was in Christ was in the beginning with God and is present right now; it is timeless. Keenan's lyrics in Reflection suggest an understanding of this: "So crucify the ego before it's far too late and leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical and you will come to find that we are all one mind capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable." Interpreting this from a post-rational Christian view shows that by putting our individual ego wants and needs in check from time to time we will begin to see the living mind of Christ that is creating the world even now. Maybe Maynard finally took his own advice.

But it could just be a joke.