Matthew 24 Revealed: Understanding The Timeline

[DingDing]

The Three Questions:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, (1)Tell us, when shall these things be? and (2)what shall be the sign of thy coming, AND (3) of the end of the world?

The first question was about ...

I didn't read any further than this. I suggest that you are starting out wrong right out of the gate. There are not three questions here, but two. What you have as questions #2 and #3 is really a single question: "What shall be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?" ("What shall be the sign of __ and __?") If you understand that the disciples were asking for the sign that would mark both His coming and the end of the age, then you will be asking the right question, and I believe the text of Matthew 24 (as well as other places) might make more sense - or at least you would be reading them differently.

 

[DingDing]

Redundant post #2. Website is having issues.

 

[DingDing]

Post #3 Or my computer, but I rebooted and still having issues when I try to reply or edit. Maybe this will fix itself as the day goes on. And someone can remove these redundant posts. I was finally able to edit them - but I could not delete them.

 

[Revealing Times]

I didn't read any further than this. I suggest that you are starting out wrong right out of the gate. There are not three questions here, but two. What you have as questions #2 and #3 is really a single question: "What shall be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?" ("What shall be the sign of __ and __?") If you understand that the disciples were asking for the sign that would mark both His coming and the end of the age, then you will be asking the right question, and I believe the text of Matthew 24 (as well as other places) might make more sense - or at least you would be reading them differently.

No, there is three questions, you seemed to have missed one. The first was about the Temple (when shall these things be, the Temples destruction Jesus spoke of) what shall be the sign of your coming.....AND THE END OF THE WORLD.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

A sign of Jesus coming is not really the end of the World, but it is the End of the Age, Jesus will reign a 1000 years. The sign of Jesus' coming is answered twice, that is why it has to be a separate question, even if the Disciples didn't intend it to be. Because Jesus had to answer it separate. He had to give an answer for the Rapture (verses 32-44) and for the Second Coming (Verses 27-31).

So the Temple question is answered, the Rapture is Answered as a sign (one is left and one is taken, the sign of Noah etc.) then Jesus answers the Second Coming (END is the end of the Age).

 

[DingDing]

No, there is three questions, you seemed to have missed one. ...

No, I did not miss one; you added one.

 

[Revealing Times]

No, I did not miss one; you added one.

If you are here to troll, please just move on. Its my thread, I stated its three questions that I see, if you can't speak about the thread just move on. I have no time for trivial trivialities.

 

[DingDing]

If you are here to troll, please just move on. Its my thread, I stated its three questions that I see, if you can't speak about the thread just move on. I have no time for trivial trivialities.

There are only 2 questions given. You divide into 3, as you do, because by doing so it allows you to make certain distinctions in Jesus' dialogue which your eschatology requires. If you (or perhaps a person with an open mind) were to read it as 2 questions, then they might come away from His dialogue with a different understanding (and not the standard pre-trib one).

 

[Douggg]

There are only 2 questions given. You divide into 3, as you do, because by doing so it allows you to make certain distinctions in Jesus' dialogue which your eschatology requires. If you (or perhaps a person with an open mind) were to read it as 2 questions, then they might come away from His dialogue with a different understanding (and not the standard pre-trib one).

Jesus gave an expanded reply on the sign of his coming (return to earth) and the end of the age - which the sign of his coming is the heavens parting and the world seeing Jesus before the throne of God, based on Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 6:12-17.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The end of the age, in Tanach (old testament) terms would be "the time of the end". Time of the end events, for example, are like the transgression of desolation in Daniel 8 and the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12, described as time of the end events in the text. That would be the backdrop to which the disciples were asking that particular part of their question. Which a person would have to go back and look through all of the prophecies regarding the time of end to understand what they had in mind.

 

[Douggg]

No, I did not miss one; you added one.

I would say that they asked three things, but the grammar construct is two questions, with the second question containing two things.

1. when would the temple be destroyed.
2. what would be the sign of his coming (the sign in heaven when the cosmos parts and the world seeing Jesus in heaven)
3. how would they know the end of the age has come, what sign. (the parable of the fig tree)

 

[klutedavid]

The Three Questions:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, (1)Tell us, when shall these things be? and (2)what shall be the sign of thy coming, AND (3) of the end of the world?

The first question was about what Jesus had just said, the Temple being DESTROYED (When shall these things be?) The second question was what will be the Sign of your Coming......And the Third question was and what will be the SIGN (because they used AND) of the End of the World. So they wanted to know about the Temples destruction, and the Sign of Jesus' coming and the sign of the End of the World.

If Jesus is going to give them a sign/understanding of these events, wouldn't he walk them through the whole 2000 year period? I think he would, and clearly does. Lets go through a few of the verses to see why I believe as I do. And we know its a 2000 year period, its 2017 SMILE. Well Almost 2000.

Onward...... Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

{{ Jesus here is warning the Disciples not to be deceived, it is well known that the Rabbis/Pharisees in order to put down the "Jesus movement" and because they thought the Roman occupation was the END TIMES and figured the Messiah would come and save them, put forth various Messiahs just before the Temple and Jerusalem's destruction, which was caused by their rebellion against Rome. Jesus is telling his Disciples not to fall for lies, many will come in my name, saying I am the Messiah, but they will not be me Returning, it is not that time he tells them, do not fall for the lies for the End is not yet. }}

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

{{ Jesus here is informing his Disciples that they will hear of Wars and Rumors of wars, no doubt Jesus knew many of the Disciples would venture afar taking the Gospel unto all the world, thus they would not see this destruction of the Temple, some would, but many would just HEAR OF IT, Jesus tells them, THIS IS NOT THE END !! Meaning that even though the Pharisees and Rabbis were looking for the Messiah to Save them, (from Rome) this was not the time of Jesus' Second Comng, thus he says, the END IS NOT YET !! Then Jesus seems to shift past the lives of the Disciples and into a futuristic, 2000 year period of time. He speaks about Nations against Nations, Kingdoms against Kingdoms, famines, pestilences and earthquakes, and he says these are the Beginnings of Sorrows !! The Greek word used for sorrows implies BIRTH PANGS, this is Jesus telling the Disciples that all of these things Must happen first, and that will be the Sign (BIRTH PANG) that the end is Near. The next few verses are also covering the full 2000 year period, speaking at times about the Disciples, and at other times about the whole 2000 year period, until the Rapture. }}

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

{{ I think this is mainly Jesus telling his Disciples their coming fate. Many people would betray them, and most all of the Disciples would become Martyrs, save John and a couple of others. They don't kill you if they don't hate you right? And no doubt, many betrayed them, like Judas betrayed Jesus. }}

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Hello RT.

Have you read Luke chapter twenty one?

Luke 21
24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Matthew's account has two separate events compressed into one event.

Luke's account has the end of Jerusalem and then the age of the Gentiles, two different events.

If you just read Matthew's account, then you will be making a catastrophic mistake.

 

[Revealing Times]

Hello RT.

Have you read Luke chapter twenty one?

Luke 21
24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Matthew's account has two separate events compressed into one event.

Luke's account has the end of Jerusalem and then the age of the Gentiles, two different events.

If you just read Matthew's account, then you will be making a catastrophic mistake.

Not really, I think people just misunderstand both to be honest. I have read the whole bible, and thus all the Gospels, we have four different accounts of Jesus' death on the cross because we have four human's perspectives. All history is like that when told by different people you get a few different perspectives, that's natural. But in this instance I think you are missing some clues that plainly tell us/you Luke was speaking about the end times. Lets go over it:

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19 In your patience possess ye your souls.


20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


What does this above kind of match up with? Well in Revelation chapter 6 we have the 5th Seal which matches the they will betray and kill you verses above, then we have the 6th Seal which matches the verses below:

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves (FEAR) in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

I think you are missing all the signs my brother, that those armies and the Desolation of verse 20 is an END TIME EVENT. You see when we are taught something we tend to refer back to it over and over as a truth, even if it may not be. There was an army that destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD, but that event is not what Luke is speaking about, nor can it be. He said at that time there would be SIGNS in the Sun, Moon and in the Stars, just as Rev. chapter 6 says. He says men's hearts will fail them for fear, for the powers of Heaven are Shaken.......Well we know Satan is cast to earth at this time (a shaking) and his Wrath is Great.

But the biggest clue is sitting there like a big fat pitch to tee off on, and we just don't use simple logic, because our mind has been trained, this is 70 AD. (Not my mind, but many have seen it this way).

27 And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and Great Glory !!!

I mean this is the CLINCHER !! We can see here that Luke is speaking about an End Time Event, Jesus did not Return 2000 years ago, thus what we have done is misunderstand what these scriptures were about, they are about the END TIMES not the 70 AD Event.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello RT.

Thanks for the reply.

Not really, I think people just misunderstand both to be honest. I have read the whole bible, and thus all the Gospels, we have four different accounts of Jesus' death on the cross because we have four human's perspectives.

I have read the four accounts numerous times also.

The resurrection accounts are different from one another.

All history is like that when told by different people you get a few different perspectives, that's natural. But in this instance I think you are missing some clues that plainly tell us/you Luke was speaking about the end times. Lets go over it:

I am not missing the clues.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

This is the first event, the destruction of Jerusalem. Please note, 'wrath upon this people', the people referred to here are the Jews.

Tell me RT, what use is fleeing to the mountains, when the end of the world has arrived?

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

You are ignoring this verse RT. We are now in the age of the Gentiles and have been for two thousand years.
Jerusalem was destroyed, the temple was taken apart stone by stone. God's wrath on this people was complete.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

This is the end of the Gentile age, not the end of Jerusalem and the temple.

I think you are missing all the signs my brother, that those armies and the Desolation of verse 20 is an END TIME EVENT. You see when we are taught something we tend to refer back to it over and over as a truth, even if it may not be. There was an army that destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD, but that event is not what Luke is speaking about, nor can it be. He said at that time there would be SIGNS in the Sun, Moon and in the Stars, just as Rev. chapter 6 says. He says men's hearts will fail them for fear, for the powers of Heaven are Shaken.......Well we know Satan is cast to earth at this time (a shaking) and his Wrath is Great.

But the biggest clue is sitting there like a big fat pitch to tee off on, and we just don't use simple logic, because our mind has been trained, this is 70 AD. (Not my mind, but many have seen it this way).

27 And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and Great Glory !!!

I mean this is the CLINCHER !! We can see here that Luke is speaking about an End Time Event, Jesus did not Return 2000 years ago, thus what we have done is misunderstand what these scriptures were about, they are about the END TIMES not the 70 AD Event.

Your not seeing Luke's clarification of the difference between, the end of Jerusalem and the end of the world.
Can you see that if you ignore the separation of the two events in Luke, that you will be in error.

 

[Marilyn C]

I would say that they asked three things, but the grammar construct is two questions, with the second question containing two things.

1. when would the temple be destroyed.
2. what would be the sign of his coming (the sign in heaven when the cosmos parts and the world seeing Jesus in heaven)
3. how would they know the end of the age has come, what sign. (the parable of the fig tree)

Hi Douggg,

Glad you brought up that good point concerning Israel, the fig tree. Here is my time line.

In 2018 Israel will celebrate their 70th anniversary as a nation & then in 2028 their 80th. After that the `fig tree generation,` would pass away, so there is only a short period of time in which the final Gentile Global Government can operate. Take 7 years for the tribulation & we can see the time is very near for the mature Body of Christ to be `caught away,` to its eternal setting in the third heaven with Christ to judge the rebellious nations of the world.

Marilyn.

 

[Revealing Times]

I have read the four accounts numerous times also.

The resurrection accounts are different from one another.

Although we know they are the same event.....

I am not missing the clues.

This time I will show you the 70 AD point in time Luke (Matthew) is speaking of.

This is the first event, the destruction of Jerusalem. Please note, 'wrath upon this people', the people referred to here are the Jews.

The people in the End Time Event are Jews also, Israel is in the Land this very day. The Church will have been Raptured by this point in time, you will have a REMNANT of Christians who became Christians after the Rapture.

Tell me RT, what use is fleeing to the mountains, when the end of the world has arrived?

God protects the Woman (Revelation chapter 12) which is Israel, in the Wilderness for 1260 days, which just so happens to be the exact time that the Anti-Christ is given to rule over the Saints (Jerusalem/Israel). Many think God protects them in Petra because of Scriptures (I think its about Edom, but I am not 100 percent sure)....Anyway, God protects them when the Dragon comes after them, and the EARTH PROTECTS THEM just like when they came out of Egypt and the Red Sea and the Wall of Fire protected them. Of course one has to understand Revelation chapter 12/Daniel 12:1-2 and Matthew 24 to understand this, these three back each other up. They Flee at the Mid-way point, not at the End of the Age.

You are ignoring this verse RT. We are now in the age of the Gentiles and have been for two thousand years.
Jerusalem was destroyed, the temple was taken apart stone by stone. God's wrath on this people was complete.

No, you just assume its 70 AD. This mad man the Anti-Christ is going to kill Billions. Many Jews will flee, but many will not, and they will be captured, killed or led captive as slaves no doubt. By the Gentile leader, the Anti-Christ.

This is the end of the Gentile age, not the end of Jerusalem and the temple.

Yes I know, the Anti-Christ is destroyed by Jesus Christ. It starts with verse 20 and ends with verse 26, we call that a Passage. Verse 20 is not the destruction of the Temple, its the Abomination of Desolation.

Your not seeing Luke's clarification of the difference between, the end of Jerusalem and the end of the world.
Can you see that if you ignore the separation of the two events in Luke, that you will be in error.

I see it, you are looking in the wrong place.

Luke, like Matthew, mentioned the Temples destruction very vaguely, because he had already explained what would happen,(Not one stone would be left standing) so when he mentioned it, like Matthew, he basically only stated this one fact (AND IT WAS TRUTH) that THIS WILL NOT BE THE END !! See it now? I used to think the same way, then I saw the Abomination had to be an end time event, then God gave it all to me one day.....WATCH THIS.

Luke 24:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: (Instruction for Disciples here) for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: (A LIE The End Time was NOT NEAR) go ye not therefore after them. 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. {{This is the Destruction of the Temple, I will explain below.}}

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. {{THEN..Nation shall rise against Nation .....After the Destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem, then we will have Earthquakes and WARS and FAMINES and PESTILENCES over a 2000 year period. }}

You see, Jesus told the Disciples that the Temple and City (Jerusalem) would be destroyed, but then he wanted to emphasize that THAT WOULD NOT BE THE END.......Which would eventually come by and by. He clearly tells them, you will hear of wars and commotions, we of course understand they "only heard", the Holy Spirit will not have had them in Jerusalem in this tumultuous time, they were in far away lands, spreading the Gospel to the world. They only HEARD (when you Hear) of these things, and Jesus says don't be terrified, for the END IS NOT YET !! These things must come to pass.

Jesus was warning them not to follow liars who would show up saying they were the Messiah who came to save them, or Jesus come again in some cases I imagine, because if they thought the Messiah had returned to Jerusalem, maybe they would have come back to Jerusalem, and they then would have all been killed, and that was not the Holy Spirits Mission for them. So he tells them, don't be deceived, the END IS NOT YET COME (When you see wars and commotions against Jerusalem) so GO YE NOT AFTER THEM !! Or Don't follow those false prophets and fake Messiahs.

Notice right after this Jesus speaks about a General time period so to speak....Nation against Nation and in Matthew it says Kingdoms against Kingdoms, then of course Earthquakes, Pestilences, Wars and Famines. Jesus just told them the END IS NOT YET (its BY and By) then he goes into a prolonged time period of EVENTS.....A 2000 year time period in my mind.

The Temple Destruction and Jerusalem being destroyed happened 40 years after Jesus' death. Why do you think that wouldn't be the very first event he described? AND IT IS !! You just have to discern it properly. Jesus wouldn't speak of all these things, then mention 70 AD in verse 20 !!

He did not go into detail because it was understood they were asking primarily about the Destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. He just wanted them to know that at this time, (70AD) that the END WAS NOT YET, so they should not follow lying liars who said it was the END TIME. That would come later, BY and BY.

2000 YEARS LATER...

 

[BABerean2]

The church did not create the term Christ.

Act_11:26　 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

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[BABerean2]

Hi Douggg,

Glad you brought up that good point concerning Israel, the fig tree. Here is my time line.

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In 2018 Israel will celebrate their 70th anniversary as a nation & then in 2028 their 80th. After that the `fig tree generation,` would pass away, so there is only a short period of time in which the final Gentile Global Government can operate. Take 7 years for the tribulation & we can see the time is very near for the mature Body of Christ to be `caught away,` to its eternal setting in the third heaven with Christ to judge the rebellious nations of the world.

Marilyn.

Based on Luke 21, the times of the Gentiles began at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and will continue until Christ's Second Coming.

Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem (subtitles from the NKJV)

Luk 21:20　 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
　
Luk 21:21　 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.　

Luk 21:22　 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　

Luk 21:23　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.　

Luk 21:24　 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.　


The Coming of the Son of Man

Luk 21:25　 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;　

Luk 21:26　 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.　

Luk 21:27　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　

Luk 21:28　 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

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[Douggg]

Act_11:26　 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

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I don't have any disagreement with you over term Christians.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

Glad you brought up that good point concerning Israel, the fig tree. Here is my time line.

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In 2018 Israel will celebrate their 70th anniversary as a nation & then in 2028 their 80th. After that the `fig tree generation,` would pass away, so there is only a short period of time in which the final Gentile Global Government can operate. Take 7 years for the tribulation & we can see the time is very near for the mature Body of Christ to be `caught away,` to its eternal setting in the third heaven with Christ to judge the rebellious nations of the world.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn, why do you opt on the 80th anniversary as a nation?

 

[klutedavid]

Hello RT.

A long post you submitted.

Although we know they are the same event.....

Different authors, different versions, same event, agreed.

This time I will show you the 70 AD point in time Luke (Matthew) is speaking of.

The people in the End Time Event are Jews also, Israel is in the Land this very day. The Church will have been Raptured by this point in time, you will have a REMNANT of Christians who became Christians after the Rapture.

They are not the same, one was a chosen nation and the modern one is not.

One was a theocratic nation, the modern Israel is a secular, western democracy. If you think Israel will build another temple, in order to sacrifice animals for their sin, think again.

God protects the Woman (Revelation chapter 12) which is Israel, in the Wilderness for 1260 days, which just so happens t be the exact time that the Anti-Christ is given to rule over the Saints (Jerusalem/Israel).

The woman could also be the church, Israel was never clothed in Christ (sun).

No, you just assume its 70 AD. This mad man the Anti-Christ is going to kill Billions. Many Jews will flee, but many will not, and they will be captured, killed or led captive as slaves no doubt. By the Gentile leader, the Anti-Christ.

No assumption on my behalf, Luke distinctly specifies two distinct ages.

Yes I know, the Anti-Christ is destroyed by Jesus Christ. It starts with verse 20 and ends with verse 26, we call that a Passage. Verse 20 is not the destruction of the Temple, its the Abomination of Desolation.

The abomination of desolation is the destruction of the second temple.

I see it, you are looking in the wrong place.

Luke's letter was probably written after the destruction of the temple. Matthew's account was probably written before the temple was destroyed. Hence the difference between these two accounts.

 

[Revealing Times]

A long post you submitted.[/QUOTE
Just replying to each reply. If you would study it in depth you would understand why the 70 AD angle can not be true.

They are not the same, one was a chosen nation and the modern one is not.

One was a theocratic nation, the modern Israel is a secular, western democracy. If you think Israel will build another temple, in order to sacrifice animals for their sin, think again.

Israel LIVES AGAIN, just like Ezekiel prophesied........Son of Man-CAN THESE BONES LIVE AGAIN !! No one replaces Israel, hat's replacement theology, and it is very corrupt.

The woman could also be the church, Israel was never clothed in Christ (sun).

Revelation opens up to people when they understand its encoded by the Old Testament. Israel was clothed in the Sun, Moon and 11 Stars, Joseph being the 12th Star.

Genesis 37:9 And he (Joseph) dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

The Woman (Israel) in Rev. 12 is clothed with the Sun (Jacob) Moon (Rachel) and 12 Stars (His 11 Brothers and Joseph) and that my friend means the Woman is Israel.

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I made it simple for you. The Abomination of Desolation is an END TIME EVENT.

The abomination of desolation is the destruction of the second temple.

NO IT IS NOT................If you understand Daniel 9:27 you will understand that it actually means an Image of the Beast is placed in the Temple.

Luke's letter was probably written after the destruction of the temple. Matthew's account was probably written before the temple was destroyed. Hence the difference between these two accounts.

I doubt it, but Jesus spoke the words before he died, OF COURSE.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello RT.

Do you really believe in this day and age, that the nation of Israel will build a temple.

A temple to sacrifice animals according to the requirements of the law of Moses?

This is one of the most bizarre beliefs that I have seen on this forum.