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The first century was A judgment against Babylon. The first century was not THE final judgment at the resurrection. (?)Are you saying the judgment of the dead described in John 5:27-30 occurred during the first century?
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The first century was A judgment against Babylon. The first century was not THE final judgment at the resurrection. (?)
Here a list of some of the verses that use the greek word "mellow<3195>Mark 13:4 Tell to us! when? these shall be being, and what? the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these.
Luke 21:7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher! when? then shall these be being, and what? the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming?
Mat 24:6Rev 3:10
'Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance and I
shall be keeping/guarding thee from the hour of the trial the one being about<3918> to be coming<2064> upon all the inhabited-land<3625> to try those dwelling upon the land.
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Mark leaves out "sabbath"
Luke doesn't mention winter in his Gospel.
Matthew 24:20 and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter<5494> nor on a sabbath;
Mark 13:18 and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter
Could the Sabbath also include Passover?Perhaps because Saint Peter was preaching to Gentiles in Rome and so omitted reference to a particular Jewish custom. And tradition.
Good advice..........BABerean2 said: ↑
Check the Greek on the following and see if you can make it work with your form of preterism.
Hello Erik. Indeed it is.........for those with eyes to see...............well, Greek CRISIS is used in Rev 18:10, 19:2 for the judgement of Babylon in the first century
Jhn 18:20Revelation 18:11 And the Merchants of the land are lamenting and mourning over Her, that their cargo<1117> no one is buying anymore.
12 Cargo of........... and cattle and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.
In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations,
and so completely leveled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! -- This fact is confirmed by Eusebius, who asserts that he himself saw the city lying in ruins ; and Josephus introduces Eleazer as exclaiming "Where is our great city, which, it was believed, GOD inhabited ? It is altogether rooted and torn up from its foundations ; and the only monument of it that remains, is the camp of its destroyers pitched amidst its reliques !"
BABerean2 said: ↑
Check the Greek on the following and see if you can make it work with your form of preterism.
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.
Erik Nelson said: ↑
well, Greek CRISIS is used in Rev 18:10, 19:2 for the judgement of Babylon in the first century
BABerean2 said: ↑
Are you saying the judgment of the dead described in John 5:27-30 occurred during the first century?
Very interesting post.......thks Eric...........The first century was A judgment against Babylon. The first century was not THE final judgment at the resurrection. (?)
[]/quoteBABerean2 said: ↑
Check the Greek on the following and see if you can make it work with your form of preterism.
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.
Erik Nelson said: ↑
well, Greek CRISIS is used in Rev 18:10, 19:2 for the judgement of Babylon in the first century
Daniel 12:2. Appears to link a resurrection of some sort to the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week of Daniel appears to describe. The year 70. AD destruction of the physical temple.Very interesting post.......thks Eric...........
Yes it does.Daniel 12:2. Appears to link a resurrection of some sort to the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week of Daniel appears to describe. The year 70. AD destruction of the physical temple.
If so, there must have been some sort of resurrection in the first century.
In the Greek LXX. Language of Daniel 12:2, appears superficially similar to that of Matthew 27:52-53
If one studies the Greek, they can clearly see that Luke 19:43, Luke 21:20-24, Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 20:9 are one and the same event
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
2944. kukloo from the same as 2945; to encircle, i.e. surround:--compass (about), come (stand) round about.
2943. kuklothen adverb from the same as 2945; from the circle, i.e. all around:--(round) about.
2945. kukloi as if dative case of kuklos (a ring, "cycle"; akin to 2947); i.e. in a circle (by implication, of 1722), i.e. (adverbially) all around:--round about.
4033. perikukloo from 4012 and 2944; to encircle all around, i.e. blockade completely:--compass round
4012. peri from the base of 4008; properly, through (all over), i.e. around; figuratively with respect to; used in various applications, of place, cause or time
2944. kukloo from the same as 2945; to encircle, i.e. surround:--compass (about), come (stand) round about.
Luke 19:43
That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee, and Thy Enemies shall be casting up a rampart<5482> to Thee, and shall be encompassing<4033> Thee, and pressing Thee every which place.
Luke 21:
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded<2944> by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]
Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary of the God and the Altar and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833> without of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!<1544> out-side, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Nations and they shall be trampling<3961> the holy City forty two months
Luke 19:43
That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee, and Thy Enemies shall be casting up a rampart<5482> to Thee, and shall be encompassing<4033> Thee, and pressing Thee every which place.
Luke 21:
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded<2944> by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
Revelation 20:9
They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded<2944> the camp of the saints and the beloved City. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
Another view could be the fire from the Roman army destroying the Jewish rebels/Zealots that were destroying Jerusalem before the Roman army arrived?Fire came down from heaven when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem???
Another view could be the fire from the Roman army destroying the Jewish rebels/Zealots that were destroying Jerusalem before the Roman army arrived?
I will have to study more on this in relation to Daniel and Olivet Discourse........
God never called the Romans "rebels" but used them to punish them.....they started getting destructive in about 67 ad during the Jewish Wars.
Ezekiel 20:38 -
“I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
Dan 8:23 - “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.
Hos 5:2 - The rebels are knee-deep in slaughter. I will discipline all of them.
Hos 9:15 - All their evil is at Gilgal; Indeed, I came to hate them there!Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.
https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns; and, in case of resistance, slew the inhabitants, not sparing either women or children. Simon, son of Gioras, the commander of one of these bands, at the head of forty thousand banditti, having with some difficulty entered Jerusalem, gave birth to a third faction, and the flame of civil discord blazed out again, with still more destructive fury.
The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts. John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example. Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength.
At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman army was approaching the city.
The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance.
A ceaseless cry of combatants was heard day and night, and yet the lamentations of mourners were still more dreadful. The consternation and terror which now prevailed induced many inhabitants to desire that a foreign foe might come, and effect their deliverance. Such was the horrible condition of the place when Titus and his army presented themselves, and encamped before Jerusalem ; but, alas ! not to deliver it from its miseries but to fulfill the prediction, and vindicate the benevolent warning of our Lord : "When ye see (he had said to his disciples) the abomination of desolation, spoken or by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place, [11] and Jerusalem surrounded by armies (or camps,) then let those who are in the midst of Jerusalem depart, and let not those who are in the country enter into her," for " then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." Matt. xxiv. 15, 21 ; Luke xxi. 20, 1-11.
These armies, we do not hesitate to affirm were those of the Romans, who now invested the city. From the time of the Babylonian captivity, idolatry had been held as an abomination by the Jews. This national aversion was manifested even against the images of their gods and emperors, which the Roman armies carried in their standards ; so that, in a time of peace, Pilate, and afterwards Vitellius, at the request of some eminent Jews, on this account avoided marching their forces throu' Judea. Of the desolating disposition which now governed the Roman army, the history of the Jewish war, and especially of the final demolition of the holy city, presents an awful and signal example. Jerusalem was not captured merely, but, with its celebrated temple, laid in ruins. Lest, however, the army of Titus should not be sufficiently designated by this expression, our LORD adds, "Wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matt. xxiv. 28.
The Jewish state, indeed, at this time, was fitly compared to a carcass. The sceptre of Judah, i . e . its civil and political authority, the life of its religion, and the glory of its temple, were departed. It was, in short, morally and judicially dead. The eagle, whose ruling instinct is rapine and murder, as fitly represented the fierce and sanguinary temper of the Romans, and, perhaps, might be intended to refer also to the principal figure on their ensigns, which, however obnoxious to the Jews, were at length planted in the midst of the holy city, and finally on the temple itself.
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Well, no problem.Still does not equate with fire coming down from God---Sodom and Gomorrah was fire coming down from God. The Roman army is not fire coming down from God. God allowed it, and foretold it---but the fire was from the Roman army not from heaven.
Well, no problem.
That doesn't happen until the Gog-Magog event anyway [I am Amil/Partial Preterist btw]
Armageddon however was 1st century Israel/Judea/Jerusalem..........just ask the Jews
Reve 18:16 "woe! woe! the great City arrayed with fine linen, purple
Revelation 17:15
And He is saying to me "These the Waters which thou saw, where the harlot is sitting, are peoples and multitudes<3793> are being, and nations and tongues.
16 And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast, These shall be hating the harlot,
and They shall be making Her desolate<2049> and naked,
and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating<5315>
and shall be burning<2618> Her in fire.
Eze 23:10
They uncovered her nakedness,
Took away her sons and daughters,
And slew her with the sword;
She became a byword among women, For they had executed judgment on her.
Nah 3:5
“Behold, I am against you,” says the LORD of hosts;“I will lift your skirts over your face,
I will show the nations your nakedness, And the kingdoms your shame.
The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19
Revelation 18:
18 And they cried<2896>, observing the smoke of Her burning, saying, "What like to the great City?"
19 and they cast dust upon their heads, and cried<2896>, lamenting<2799>, weeping and mourning<3996>, saying,
"Woe! woe! the great City! in which are rich all those having ships<4143> in the sea, out of Her preciousness<5094>,
for to one hour was She was desolated<2049>.
No. That is the Gog-Magog event, which is the next event to come............This is the real Armageddon:
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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