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1 Corinthians 4:15
For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
That was used in the Benedictine tradition in middle England I believe. However no, that was not the suggestion I was making, simply highlighting the passage where Paul describes himself as Father.Hmmm. Are you suggesting we should call our church leaders "Guardians"?
That was used in the Benedictine tradition in middle England I believe. However no, that was not the suggestion I was making, simply highlighting the passage where Paul describes himself as Father.
Yes, I was aware of that, LoL.
Since both kepha31 and Jerome take the some position on the issue, how about if you answer my question for me. Kepha stated the following:
And then you added that Jerome's response was similar:
My reply was as follows:
That reply was to Kepha, but I also asked you directly:
So I'm still wanting to know what the Catholic reply is to this point.
You can honor someone without calling them "Father". You can can call them by their real name (William, Stanley, Eugene, George, Harry etc.).
I'm not in the habit of bashing anyone, but I do have to say that this post comes of as antagonistic. Are you sure your heart is in the right place regarding your brothers and sisters in Christ, or do you regard all Protestants as on their way to Hell?
Oh please, no one is being persecuted for doing the right thing here...the OP brought up the issue of father and was corrected.Pop quiz time. Can you, without looking at your Bible, tell me what the next verse says?
I think the BIBLE (JESUS specifically) says anyone who follows HIM, anyone who chooses to do what is right (to take a stand for what is righ) will suffer persecution....Oh please, no one is being persecuted for doing the right thing here...the OP brought up the issue of father and was corrected.
Except being corrected for being in error does not qualify as being persecuted. There are some cult groups who when fleeing the law inform their members that they are undergoing "persecution".I think the BIBLE (JESUS specifically) says anyone who follows HIM, anyone who chooses to do what is right (to take a stand for what is righ) will suffer persecution....
so, yes, it is happening, everywhere on earth, just as Jesus said it would (as it has since , well, always)
Now you could argue that Catholic priests are not doing this so much as positioning themselves as representatives of the Heavenly Father, such as for doing things like receiving confessions and the like
That's correct.Except being corrected for being in error does not qualify as being persecuted. There are some cult groups who when fleeing the law inform their members that they are undergoing "persecution".
Protestants have slight differences in PRACTICE, ... but tend to avoid unhealthy attachments to "personalities". Certainly we avoid the authoritarian addition to "what has been laid down by the Apostles" ... to bring in new and innovative beliefs, such as "The Assumption of Mary".
but tend to avoid unhealthy attachments to "personalities"
It is not at all feasible, most likely, to bring out and expose what is being done to ekklesia everywhere, "off line" in person, for real, every day.... even in the usa....
It's talking about spiritual figures. Also, "Honour your father and mother" is the fifth commandment, not the fourth. The fourth is actually, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." Which Catholics also don't follow.
Pop quiz time. Can you, without looking at your Bible, tell me what the next verse says?
The above is the slickest way of doubting someone's salvation I have ever heard. But Hidden, the same goes back to you? Do you regard all Catholics as going to hell?
If you can read this entire chapter of Matthew and not see that the Pharisees and Scribes have put themselves in the place of Him, then I can't help you.
And when operating AS priests, they stand IN PERSONA CHRISTI, which means that they represent the Son, and not the Father. If you are going to dump on Catholics, at least know the correct doctrine first.
Some denominations consider it the fourth because they conveniently remove the second (the one about bowing down to graven images), slide 3-9 up a slot, add split the tenth into two parts.
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Yes, I am aware that the Catholic Church has done this. We should never change the Word of God.
Please remember that Catholics number the commandments differently. We have all of them.
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