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Matthew 1:1

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Matthew 10:1

και προσκαλεσαμενος τους δωδεκα μαθητας αυτου εδωκεν αυτοις εξουσιαν πνευματων ακαθαρτων ωστε εκβαλλειν αυτα και θεραπευειν πασαν νοσον και πασαν μαλακιαν

and calling the twelve learners his he-gave them authority spirits unclean so-as-to throw-out them and heal all sickness and all maladies

He was calling his twelve disciples and he gave them authority to throw out unclean spirits and heal every sickness and malady.
 
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Matthew 10:2

των δε δωδεκα αποστολων τα ονοματα εστιν ταυτα πρωτος σιμων ο λεγομενος πετρος και ανδρεας ο αδελφος αυτου ιακωβος ο του ζεβεδαιου και ιωαννης ο αδελφος αυτου

the but twelve apostles the names are these first Simon the called Stone and Andrew the brother his James the the Zebedee and John the brother his

Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: First, Simon who is called "Stone" and Andrew, his brother; James, the one of Zebedee and John, his brother;
 
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Matthew 10:3

φιλιππος και βαρθολομαιος θωμας και ματθαιος ο τελωνης ιακωβος ο του αλφαιου και λεββαιος ο επικληθεις θαδδαιος

Philip and Bartholomew Thomas and Matthew the toll-taker Jacob the the Alphaeus and Lebbaeus the also-named Thaddaeus

Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the toll collector, Jacob the son of Alphaeus and Lebbaeus, who is called Thaddaeus;
 
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Matthew 10:3

φιλιππος και βαρθολομαιος θωμας και ματθαιος ο τελωνης ιακωβος ο του αλφαιου και λεββαιος ο επικληθεις θαδδαιος

Philip and Bartholomew Thomas and Matthew the toll-taker Jacob the the Alphaeus and Lebbaeus the also-named Thaddaeus

Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the toll collector, Jacob the son of Alphaeus and Lebbaeus, who is called Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:3 φιλιππος και βαρθολομαιος θωμας και μαθθαιος ο τελωνης ιακωβος ο του αλφαιου και θαδδαιος

Mat 10:3 Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the customs-officer, Jacobus [James] of Alphaeus and Thaddaeus;
 
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Yes, glad to see you back.:wave:
Thanks, I didn't want to give up on this thread.

The New Testament in greek is incredible, I wish I could encourage everyone to read it in the original language. Considering how little work it is to learn greek, most Christians should just learn it. It took me about an hour a day for 3 years to get a basic handle on most of it, that's not really a lot of time.
 
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Matthew 10:4

σιμων ο κανανιτης και ιουδας ισκαριωτης ο και παραδους αυτον

Simon the Canaanite and Judas Iscariot (or: of Kerioth) the also betrayed him

Simon the Canaanite and Judas Iscariot, the one who also betrayed him.

OR:

Simon the Canaanite and Judas of Karioth, the one who also betrayed him.
 
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Matthew 10:4

σιμων ο κανανιτης και ιουδας ισκαριωτης ο και παραδους αυτον

Simon the Canaanite and Judas Iscariot (or: of Kerioth) the also betrayed him

Simon the Canaanite and Judas Iscariot, the one who also betrayed him.

OR:

Simon the Canaanite and Judas of Karioth, the one who also betrayed him.

Mat 10:4
σιμων ο καναναιος και ιουδας ο ισκαριωτης ο και παραδους αυτον

Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also gave over him.
 
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Mat 10:4
σιμων ο καναναιος και ιουδας ο ισκαριωτης ο και παραδους αυτον

Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also gave over him.
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Matthew 10:5

τουτους τους δωδεκα απεστειλεν ο ιησους παραγγειλας αυτοις λεγων εις οδον εθνων μη απελθητε και εις πολιν σαμαρειτων μη εισελθητε

These the twelve sent the Jesus instructing them saying into road gentiles not go and into city Samaritans not enter

Jesus sent these twelve, instructing them that they were not to go to the gentiles or enter a city of the Samaritans,
 
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Matthew 10:5
τουτους τους δωδεκα απεστειλεν ο ιησους παραγγειλας αυτοις λεγων εις οδον εθνων μη απελθητε και εις πολιν σαμαρειτων μη εισελθητε

These the twelve sent the Jesus instructing them saying into road gentiles not go and into city Samaritans not enter

Jesus sent these twelve, instructing them that they were not to go to the gentiles or enter a city of the Samaritans.

Mat 10:5
These twelve, upon instructing them, Jesus, dispatched, saying, Depart not unto the way of the Gentiles, and into a town of the Samaritans you should not go into:
 
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Matthew 10:6

πορευεσθε δε μαλλον προς τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ

go but rather to the sheep the lost house Israel

but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 
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Matthew 10:6

πορευεσθε δε μαλλον προς τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ

go but rather to the sheep the lost house Israel

but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 10:6πορευεσθε δε μαλλον προς τα προβατα τα απολωλοτα οικου ισραηλ
απολωλοτα to lose, cause to be lost: principally by wandering off, but also through annihilation or perishing— but is not by necessity beyond recovery (i.e. a sheep lost but may be found) see also:
1 Peter 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. (25) For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

 
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Matthew 10:7

πορευομενοι δε κηρυσσετε λεγοντες οτι ηγγικεν η βασιλεια των ουρανων

go and preach say that near the kingdom the skies

As you go and preach say, "the kindgom of the skies is near."

οὐρανός,
air, heaven, sky.
Perhaps from the same as oros (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity) -- air, heaven(-ly), sky.

Do we get to have snacks in heaven when we are dead? Pie in the sky when we die, by and by?
Or is the message of the bible slightly deeper than that?
 
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Matthew 10:7

πορευομενοι δε κηρυσσετε λεγοντες οτι ηγγικεν η βασιλεια των ουρανων

go and preach say that near the kingdom the skies

As you go and preach say, "the kindgom of the skies is near."

οὐρανός,
air, heaven, sky.
Perhaps from the same as oros (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity) -- air, heaven(-ly), sky.

Do we get to have snacks in heaven when we are dead? Pie in the sky when we die, by and by?
Or is the message of the bible slightly deeper than that?
Deeper because Matthew was the only one to use Kingdom of heaven as the same as Kingdom of God on earth. He understood that the heavenly Kingdom would be here on earth. "Thy Kingdom come...."

Mat 10:7 πορευομενοι δε κηρυσσετε λεγοντες οτι ηγγικεν η βασιλεια των ουρανων
As you go, proclaim, saying, ‘That the heavenly Kingdom is drawing near to!’
 
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Matthew 10:7

πορευομενοι δε κηρυσσετε λεγοντες οτι ηγγικεν η βασιλεια των ουρανων

go and preach say that near the kingdom the skies

As you go and preach say, "the kindgom of the skies is near."

οὐρανός,
air, heaven, sky.
Perhaps from the same as oros (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity) -- air, heaven(-ly), sky.

Do we get to have snacks in heaven when we are dead? Pie in the sky when we die, by and by?
Or is the message of the bible slightly deeper than that?
Birds also fly in the sky :)

Reve 19:17 And I saw one Messenger standing in the sun, and He cries out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered! into the Supper of the Great God.
18 That Ye may be eating fleshes of kings......
[Ezekiel 39:17]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7509498/#post56000793
Birds of a feather flock together


.....
 
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So what is "heaven"?

I understand resurrection, being dead and then after that not being dead.
I understand eternal life, being alive and then after that never being dead.

But I don't understand "heaven".
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth containment of nations, with coheshion; the sea and the waves resounding; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for the anticipation we have of those things to be coming on the earth: for the powers of heavenly they shall be moved. And then they shall see the Son of man coming in a nimbus with power and great glory. Luk 21:25-27

οικουμενη inhabited world επερχομενων ἐπ+έρχομαι to come
σαλευθήσονται σαλεύω fut θη ind 3rd pl they-will-be-mov-ed

ἀποψυχόντων ἀνθρώπων ἀπὸ φόβου καὶ προσδοκίας τῶν ἐπερχομένων τῇ οἰκουμένῃ· αἱ γὰρ δυνάμεις τῶν οὐρανῶν σαλευθήσονται

27 Καὶ τότε ὄψονται τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐρχόμενον ἐν νεφέλῃ μετὰ δυνάμεως καὶ δόξης πολλῆς

νεφέλῃ nimbus n. aura; halo; resplendent reputation
 
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Thanks He-man.

I usually see νεφέλῃ translated as cloud. Apparently it has more in it than just "cloud"? Liddell and Scott says "also, a cloud or dense throng of men, birds, etc."

καὶ τότε ὄψονται τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐρχόμενον ἐν νεφέλῃ μετὰ δυνάμεως καὶ δόξης πολλῆς
Could it be that when we see the Son of Man coming with power and great glory, He will be with a dense throng of people - those He has resurrected to eternal life? It seems likely.
 
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