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Yeah, we've been over this whole "lust" thing pages ago here. Please go back and read through the previous pages.
Maybe I should start a new thread on "What is Lust?" It's something that badly needs clearing up.
Sexual fantasy is one of those things God made, just like the real thing.
If I'm hungry, I sometimes fantasize about food too.
Maybe I should start a new thread on "What is Lust?" It's something that badly needs clearing up.
Sexual fantasy is one of those things God made, just like the real thing.
If I'm hungry, I sometimes fantasize about food too.
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Ok let me rephrase what i just said...It is fine to have sexual thoughts. But it is not fine to undress someone with your mind, and fantasize about exactly what you want to do to them. That is lust.
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cowboysfan1970
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I've found that people have very different and polarizing views as to just what exactly lust is. I think that lust is biblically defined as when you go so far as to try and take something that isn't yours, such as another man's wife or another woman's husband. If somebody is putting the plans together to hook up with that person or to try and destory their marriage or relationship so they can be with them, then that's where lust and sin come into the picture. I've noticed that some younger Christians seem to have a very broad definition of lust, going so far as to more or less consider any form of sexual desire or arousal as lust. For much of my life I struggled with ideas like that but when you really step back and look at them for what they are you see that is a sponge that just won't hold water. I can't help but wonder where this new Victorian ethic is coming from?
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I know just what you mean -it's terrible to not have a good comprehension of the grace of God in such matters as sex and "lust", especially when one is young and having to deal with the subject a lot.
It seems to me it's because so few preachers and so-called Bible teachers are teaching the grace of God and basic Christian morality -that we are saved by faith in God's grace, and our righteousness comes from that faith, not from what we do or don't do. My life would have been so much happier if I'd understood that from the start.
In the earlier pages we talked about how "lust" is only immoral when it's covetousness, in contradiction to the tenth commandment, not when it's simply desire, sexual or otherwise. Covetousness is not taking what's someone else's, which is of course, theft, but simply wanting it, whether another's spouse or house, and its cure is contentment with what one has.
It's interesting to compare the NASB version of these verses from 2 John with the new ISB, as to "lust"
NASB: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
ISB: 16For everything that is in the world —the desire for fleshly gratification, the desire for possessions, and worldly arrogance —is not from the Father but is from the world. 17And the world and its desires are fading away, but the person who does God's will remains forever.
This seems morally reasonable to me: that "earthly desires" aren't evil in themselves, but aren't what eternal life is about and are only mortal distractions.
And of course, "fleshly gratification" includes a lot more than just the desire for sex.
I hope that's helpful.
It seems to me it's because so few preachers and so-called Bible teachers are teaching the grace of God and basic Christian morality -that we are saved by faith in God's grace, and our righteousness comes from that faith, not from what we do or don't do. My life would have been so much happier if I'd understood that from the start.
In the earlier pages we talked about how "lust" is only immoral when it's covetousness, in contradiction to the tenth commandment, not when it's simply desire, sexual or otherwise. Covetousness is not taking what's someone else's, which is of course, theft, but simply wanting it, whether another's spouse or house, and its cure is contentment with what one has.
It's interesting to compare the NASB version of these verses from 2 John with the new ISB, as to "lust"
NASB: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
ISB: 16For everything that is in the world —the desire for fleshly gratification, the desire for possessions, and worldly arrogance —is not from the Father but is from the world. 17And the world and its desires are fading away, but the person who does God's will remains forever.
This seems morally reasonable to me: that "earthly desires" aren't evil in themselves, but aren't what eternal life is about and are only mortal distractions.
And of course, "fleshly gratification" includes a lot more than just the desire for sex.
I hope that's helpful.
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*sigh* David, what is sin? What goes against God, right? How can you have something be a sin if God does not label it as such directly OR indirectly?
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That's a pretty weak argument on CS Lewis' part, if you ask me.
It's like saying you shouldn't imagine eating the perfect cake because then no cake will ever satisfy you, or driving the perfect car or whatever.
Does it say anywhere that "that which is not love" is sin?
Paul says "that which is not of faith is sin." (Romans 14:23)
Which, it seems to me, means that we live by faith, not under the law.
It's like saying you shouldn't imagine eating the perfect cake because then no cake will ever satisfy you, or driving the perfect car or whatever.
Does it say anywhere that "that which is not love" is sin?
Paul says "that which is not of faith is sin." (Romans 14:23)
Which, it seems to me, means that we live by faith, not under the law.
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