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Zebra1552
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That's special pleading, Jack. Why is eating any different than masturbating? The body craves masturbation just like it does food, and sinners eat to satisfy their craving for food.
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What makes us Christians different than the unbeliever is that we love Jesus. Nowhere does God say what seperates us from unbelievers is weither we touch or not. We deny ourselves by following Jesus and accepting the persecution that comes from that.
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This thread has been over this territory before.
The Bible nowhere describes masturbation, or the desire for sex, to be a sin. It does come down very hard on making things into sins that it doesn't clearly condemn as sin.
The sad thing about American Christianity is that it makes the desire for sex into "lust", which in the Bible it isn't, and greed into a virtue, which in the Bible is a vice. "Lust" is what's covered in the tenth commandment, which is against any kind of covetousness, not the 7th, which is against adultery.
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Amen .. preach it brother ... That very that is often quoted that our society will call what is evil good also says the they will call what is good evil. I'm going to start quoting that verse more often ... Masturbation is good and its evil to call good evil IMPO.
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And so after many thousands of years of men and Women constantly masterbating...too this very day.
Do we have a situation where God slaps the side of his face and looks at Jesus and says...Oh No what are we gonna do now ?
No we do not have that situation, no matter what you lot preach or self opinionate to the contrary.
Wake up people!
Do we have a situation where God slaps the side of his face and looks at Jesus and says...Oh No what are we gonna do now ?
No we do not have that situation, no matter what you lot preach or self opinionate to the contrary.
Wake up people!
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I don't know if you're referring to me or not but I don't believe that masturbation is "good" or "evil" -it's just one of those things people do.
I don't know anyone who believes it's something to be proud of, as I mentioned before, and that's a belief that seems universal, independent of religion.
I really agree with the previous post:
"What makes us Christians different than the unbeliever is that we love Jesus. Nowhere does God say what seperates us from unbelievers is weither we touch or not. We deny ourselves by following Jesus and accepting the persecution that comes from that."
I would just add to that we not only love God, but we love others as well. Those are the commandments that we should be concentrating on, as Jesus teaches. The first one, to love God, and the second, to love others. Everything else, as the saying goes, is commentary.
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I doubt people touch without a single sinful thought in the process, so i really don't get why some don't consider it sinful................
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Thinking about sex isn't sinful. If you think it is sinful...then you better not do it (Romans 14...read it...then meditate on it). It is truly sad to see people living in such bondage...
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Who's to blame? Satan or the testicles? Cuz its our testicles which produces the hormones which are sent to the brain which causes our sex drive and therefor masturbation??
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Yes, Kencj I was refering to your comment. I know not many can say masturbation is good. It took me a long while to get to where I could say it was good.
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It depends on what you mean by "good" -which in a moral sense means something morally useful, like doing good for someone.
I can't see how it's really "good" in that sense, which is why I consider it in itself neither good nor evil in any moral sense.
The issue of thoughts and fantasies is a completely different one, it seems to me, in this case -they can be good or evil independent of what anyone does. Isn't that what Jesus said?
And an important thing to keep in mind too is that Paul says "all things are lawful to me, but I won't be enslaved by anything". So it's certainly not sinful, but like anything else can be addictive to the point of harm.
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By the way I love this quote from Sister Wendy (the very cloistered British nun who had the art program on PBS); "Why would God give us this great toy and then tell us never to play with it?"
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Okay. How is having a fantasy sinful? I have fantasies about having a lightsaber- is that wrong? I have fantasies about being able to teleport and all the money I'd save from not needing a car- is that wrong? Where do you draw the line?
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Yes but you dont have fantasies about having a lightsaber when youre masturbating...most likely a fantasy about having sex with a woman...and that is a sinful thought...
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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Why this subject keeps coming up over and over again in these and other Christian forums escapes me. Masturbation is not addressed anywhere in Scripture and one does not have to lust (which is a sin) to touch. It is purely a physical (mechanical) act.
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