Masturbation!

[Abbadon]

Well, I don't think that it's a sin, but I wanted to commend you on a logical and thought out arguement. It's good to see people thinking, rather than saying "It just is."

By "It just is" I assume you mean stuff like this?

By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability. (CCC, 2352)

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability. (CCC, 2352)

That's all well and good for Catholics, but as I don't recognize the authority of your church, it still doesn't come across as being a sin in my eyes.

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

By "It just is" I assume you mean stuff like this?

Yup.

 

[Abbadon]

Yup.

to Protestantism!

Oh, man, I just can't stop using that icon in this thread.

 

[KarateCowboy]

I'm glad you posted this. I was actually going to post a similar thread. I was lurking around the other forums last night and it broke my heart to read a thread about young men who absolutely shame themselves for doing this. One young man even said his friend's parents put him on severe restriction when they caught him in the act. What do these parents hope to accomplish by punishing their children for doing something that comes so naturally that even babies get a kick out of doing it?

Uh, what books have you been reading. How can children pleasure themselves when they can't even feed themselves? And besides, how would people know? What do they do, ask them? "Uh yeah well doc, I started when I was about eighteen days old. Went on and off again for a period of about two weeks, so all in all i'm a little ashamed 'cause i've been doing it for 90% of my life!"

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Uh, what books have you been reading. How can children pleasure themselves when they can't even feed themselves? And besides, how would people know? What do they do, ask them?

They WATCH them, of course. Babies have been observed to play with their genitalia at a very young age, apparently for no purpose but pleasure (they might have some other purpose, but if so, we can't detect it). Did you really not know this?

 

[KarateCowboy]

So how do they know that they become aroused(I don't think they even can) ? How do they know that it's not for the same reason that they pick their noses?

 

[Electric Sceptic]

So how do they know that they become aroused(I don't think they even can) ? How do they know that it's not for the same reason that they pick their noses?

Aroused? What does that have to do with anything?

 

[KarateCowboy]

Everything. From Merriam Webster :

Main Entry: mas·tur·ba·tion
Pronunciation: "mas-t&r-'bA-sh&n
Function: noun
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs ....(censored)

Erotic stimulation. It requires arousal. I think that it's becoming clear that babies don't really touch and my initial hunch that it's all a bunch of hookum from the debauchery crowd has just been confirmed.

 

[Dislike]

So how do they know that they become aroused(I don't think they even can) ? How do they know that it's not for the same reason that they pick their noses?

Yeah, the little boys get erections, etc.

 

[Lycaenidae]

By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability. (CCC, 2352)

If you want a bunch of child-molesting old men to advise you about your sex life, I guess that's your business.

 

[BrownCoat]

"If God had intended us not to touch he would've made our arms shorter"
-George Carlin

Q.E.D.

I admit it. I laughed.

 

[Moros]

When asked how to avoid the temptation to lust of the flesh, Diogenes pulled out his penis and began masturbating. When rebuked later about it, he replied "If only I could soothe my belly by rubbing it."

 

[Helo]

When asked how to avoid the temptation to lust of the flesh, Diogenes pulled out his penis and began masturbating. When rebuked later about it, he replied "If only I could soothe my belly by rubbing it."

There was actually a Christian sect that believed in staying pure of soul by exscersizing sin with your body, thereby corrupting your body but leaving your soul pure.

 

[feline]

People, all joking aside, please remember: Every time you touch, God kills a kitten.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I think that it's becoming clear that babies don't really touch and my initial hunch that it's all a bunch of hookum from the debauchery crowd has just been confirmed.

Then you think wrong.

 

[LouTheWicked]

I think releasing frustration every now and then is healthier than keeping it bottled up.

Studies have shown that men who touch lowers their chance of prostate cancer, and can boost fertility by flushing out old sperm and making space for the new sperm.

 

[dudeoffaith1]

whats the point of masturbating anyways

 

[Helo]

whats the point of masturbating anyways

Try it, ittl become real clear after about 5 minnutes.

 

[Dislike]

It seems pretty obvious to me.