Masturbation... is it wrong?

[msaenz]

God didn't create us with masturbation in mind. That's another deviant sexual behavior that has it's roots in selfishness!

 

[Ninja Turtles]

God didn't create us with masturbation in mind. That's another deviant sexual behavior that has it's roots in selfishness!

He also didn't create us with cars, electricity, and computers in mind, they must be deviant objects that lead to deviant behavior rooted in selfishness.

 

[Just like Paul]

This also means that any sexual activity is a sin.[/QUOTE]

Not at all. We must understand that the word says that God created everything that exist. He created music, sex, the ideas that invented cars, the net, etc. What happens is that what is created is tainted and perverted by the enemy; for example when rap music first hit the scene it was called hip-hop and it was clean and positive music. However, due to lust and perversion in the world what once was clean and positive has now turned into men degrading women and women degrading themselves and what do we have now...gansta rap. It the same way with sex. God created it to be a beautiful and pleasurable experience but it has been perverted in many ways (Romans 1) and now what do we have...touching yourself, oral sex, anal sex, fisting, etc. We are free will beings and each one of us are responsible for our own actions. However I admonish the whole to seek after God's way. We are so quick to say what we think and how we feel about a topic/ issue but in the end what does God say and are we connected enough to him to even hear him when he speaks to us.

 

[flicka]

God didn't create us with masturbation in mind. That's another deviant sexual behavior that has it's roots in selfishness!

I disagree. How do you what God had in mind? The parts are there, they react to stimuli (either mental or physical), people do not need to be taught to do it because it comes naturally, it feels good and that encourages you to do it when sex isn't an option for you. It's even done by children too young to know anything about lust or sexuality.

It sounds to me like God intended for us to do it. The sin is all in your head.

 

[Just like Paul]

And masturbation is a direct result of the sin in your head. You are in a room thinking about sexual situations, acts, words, etc. Then because you've aroused yourself with these thoughts your next course of action is touching yourself. Adam didn't wasn't guilty of sin because he ate the fruit, he was guilty because he allowed his self mind to be decieved (thoughts) and operated contrary to what he was told by God. He did what felt good which was eating the fruit (touching yourself).Have a good night everyone. I'm out

 

[Ninja Turtles]

When rap music first hit the scene it was called hip-hop and it was clean and positive music. However, due to lust and perversion in the world what once was clean and positive has now turned into men degrading women and women degrading themselves and what do we have now...gansta rap.

Gangsta rap is so old, that's something from the 1990's and that era has passed.

If anything, you have to differentiate from mainstream and the underground scene. The mainstream is garbage and much like everything American pushes materialism, but the idea that "gangsta rap" still is the norm is ridiculous.

Is there still violence in rap, yeah, but to say that everything is gangsta rap is wrong. But rap and hip-hop aren't the same thing.

 

[invisible trousers]

for example when rap music first hit the scene it was called hip-hop and it was clean and positive music. However, due to lust and perversion in the world what once was clean and positive has now turned into men degrading women and women degrading themselves and what do we have now...gansta rap.

That's not even close

It the same way with sex. God created it to be a beautiful and pleasurable experience but it has been perverted in many ways (Romans 1) and now what do we have...touching yourself, oral sex, anal sex, fisting, etc.

Those have existed as long as sex.

We are free will beings and each one of us are responsible for our own actions. However I admonish the whole to seek after God's way. We are so quick to say what we think and how we feel about a topic/ issue but in the end what does God say and are we connected enough to him to even hear him when he speaks to us.

I understand, but the vibe I'm getting from you guys is that your particular interpretations of scripture equals what God is saying, while totally removing the possibility that your interpretation might be wrong.


Or, I can look at it this totally anecdocal way:

Christians who touch: seem to be able to get on with their lives without being smote by God.
Christian males who don't touch: constantly complain to other guys (and females nearby) about how hard it is not to, and how they accidently touch and then complain to other guys...as the cycle repeats itself

It's hard to listen to people who disagree with masturbation constantly talk about it and worry while the people they're condemning seem to be relatively at peace.

edit:

He did what felt good which was eating the fruit (touching yourself)

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached a new level of scriptural interpretation.

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Christian males who don't touch: constantly complain to other guys (and females nearby) about how hard it is not to, and how they accidently touch and then complain to other guys...as the cycle repeats itself.

LOL LOL LOL
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Very true, the next thing to add is those guys that wish to remain celibate until marriage complaining about how hard it is. Always whining.

 

[Thor11]

Sexual Sin Anonymous.

Hello. My nam is Pam.

Hi Pam.

And I'm a Sexual Sin Addict. The other day I saw two boys playing leap frog and then I went crazy as I was screaming verses of Leviticus at them. They had me arrested that day. And then there was the time...

 

[msaenz]

How do you know what God had in mind?

Thanks to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I do know what He had in mind. Here's the explanation:

By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action. "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentialy contrary to its purpose. For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of " the sexual relationship which is demaded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieve." (Catechism 2352)

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Very true, the next thing to add is those guys that wish to remain celibate until marriage complaining about how hard it is.

I'm sure there was no pun intended

 

[Salubri]

Another version of "The Church SAID SO!!!111"

 

[flicka]

And masturbation is a direct result of the sin in your head. You are in a room thinking about sexual situations, acts, words, etc. Then because you've aroused yourself with these thoughts your next course of action is touching yourself. Adam didn't wasn't guilty of sin because he ate the fruit, he was guilty because he allowed his self mind to be decieved (thoughts) and operated contrary to what he was told by God. He did what felt good which was eating the fruit (touching yourself).Have a good night everyone. I'm out

Wrong-O. I'm not saying your scenero never happens but you can't deny that naturally occuring hormones play a big part. Erections happen for no apparent reason (don't deny it) and the sex drive is natural. And you totally ignored the issue of little kids who 'play with themselves' because it feels good and calms them. Where is the sin in their head?

Don't assume to know what thoughts are in anyones head but your own.

msaeng: Thanks to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I do know what He had in mind. Here's the explanation:

Well you know what the church had in mind anyway.

 

[MQTA]

I am not in the habit of giving opinions or what i personally think because in the end my opinion won't count, only what the word says. Therefore I will answer your question, but according to the "Word".

Understand that the "act" of masturbation begins in the MIND. The word says that it is with the MIND that we serve the Lord and that as believers we are to cast down every imagination (created in our minds) and thought that seeks to exault itself above the knowledge and power of God. Once again masturbation begins in our minds with perverted or lustful thoughts, or something our mind takes in from TV or the NET. We allow these thoughts to grow and grow until our flesh (carnal desires) get the best of us and what we know we shouldn't do, we do. Masturbation isn't the sin, it is the result of sin. The actual sin are the thoughts and perversion you allowed to control you up to that point. The reason these thoughts are sinful is because you've allowed your temple to be defiled by perverted and immoral thoughts. We as Christians, not ever being perfect must do what we can to gaurd our MINDS.

I didn't mean to get deep but I try to give a good undestanding. Be Blessed and gaurd your MIND!!!

So you never sleep then? I'm sure if you're suppressing your mind and body during your waking hours, you must be very ashamed of your dreams and sleep time. Not to mention waking up a bit wet some mornings.

This is actually a fascinating thread. Sure sheds light on some people's ways of thinking. Amazing.

 

[MQTA]

God didn't create us with masturbation in mind. That's another deviant sexual behavior that has it's roots in selfishness!

Oh, then who created us? Genetic engineers?

 

[MQTA]

This also means that any sexual activity is a sin.

Not at all. We must understand that the word says that God created everything that exist. He created music, sex, the ideas that invented cars, the net, etc. What happens is that what is created is tainted and perverted by the enemy; for example when rap music first hit the scene it was called hip-hop and it was clean and positive music. However, due to lust and perversion in the world what once was clean and positive has now turned into men degrading women and women degrading themselves and what do we have now...gansta rap. It the same way with sex. God created it to be a beautiful and pleasurable experience but it has been perverted in many ways (Romans 1) and now what do we have...touching yourself, oral sex, anal sex, fisting, etc. We are free will beings and each one of us are responsible for our own actions. However I admonish the whole to seek after God's way. We are so quick to say what we think and how we feel about a topic/ issue but in the end what does God say and are we connected enough to him to even hear him when he speaks to us.

Oh I see, this is all NEW stuff... so the Movie Caligula was inaccurate? And the stories of S & G didn't have any of those things either?

Nothing like being talked out of your own humanity, resisting what was given to you.

They say what you focus on expands. You live in an interesting world.

 

[MQTA]

Thanks to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I do know what He had in mind. Here's the explanation:

By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action. "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentialy contrary to its purpose. For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of " the sexual relationship which is demaded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieve." (Catechism 2352)

Well, that explains a lot.

 

[IcarusFell]

God didn't create us with masturbation in mind. That's another deviant sexual behavior that has it's roots in selfishness!

How do you know that?

 

[iconmaster]

Well I agree with the first part. But where do you draw the line on the last? Does playing softball bring you closer to God? Hobbies? Window shopping? I can think of a million things that can fit that scenario. Nobody can devout 100% of their time to God and 0% to their own happiness.

I'd draw that line at things that fail to create an avenue of blessing and goodness to others. Softball can be a way of doing this, since you're on a team with other people. Hobbies and window shopping can be shared. Masturbation is generally considered to be a solo activity.

Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.

Note the bolded part. Some of you may not care much for the opinion of the Magisterium, but it's worth noting that Christians have almost universally held masturbation to be wrong -- until modern times. And even now, our conscience is uneasy about it. That's why we see discussions like this one.

"The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentialy contrary to its purpose. For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of " the sexual relationship which is demaded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieve."

I think that's very well said.

 

[blue_crystal]

It's not wrong unless you're fantasizing about doing something immoral. Otherwise, sexual desire and the expression of it thru masturbation is natural and healthy.