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Mastrubation and fornification

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taedium

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Morals aren't dumbed down relative to instincts. Animals follow their instincts, only humans follow morals. Morals, at least in the way that I use them, serve to provide a long-sight approach to life wheras instincts tend to focus on instant gratification, often to long-term disadvantage.

Instincts are genetic, there isn't any reason to think they've kept up with humanity as its advanced. Human instincts could still be operating just about at the chimp lvl of evolution. In a rapidly changing world, instincts really are 'blind.'
 
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Michali said:
There is almost a distinguishable "feel" between what you will, and what your body reacts to. It might be just an illusion, but there is definately a distinguishable level of "consciousness", and, to me, it seems to seperate "you" from your brain.

But this conciousness, this "you," can be destroyed or altered by physical means. This "you" can be totally turned off for a time - all from a physical cause.

It seems physical.
 
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ObbiQuiet said:
But this conciousness, this "you," can be destroyed or altered by physical means. This "you" can be totally turned off for a time - all from a physical cause.

It seems physical.
No, the will appears to be caused only by itself. When I will something, there is every feeling of "I chose something". Now, that is not to say that it automatically equivilates to there being free will, but it leads me to believe that there may be source of will seperate from the brain. Because the brain operates in manners that are physical (includes thinking processes, and even memory), the will has a difficult time working with that which is altered. Therefore, the will is dependant on the brain (or any type of memory storage) for functioning. The will is existentialy independant of the brain, but the brain does influence the will greatly.
 
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I would first like to share the words that Jesus spoke on this topic...

"And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. " Matthew 5:30

...Sometimes Jesus wasn't to fond of tact, know what I mean? Now, I can cast no judgment as this is a sin to which I was enslaved for many years, but I can say with surity that God will cast judgment on those who practice it. With that in mind, I have set my eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of my faith and have cast aside this sin that so easily entangled me...I invite you all to do the same:

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds." Hebrews 12:1-3

Guys, we gotta look to Jesus! Believe me, that's the ONLY way to win this fight! I tried everything; I slept with a Bible under my pillow, I hung a little cross over my bed, I burnt my porn mags, I did EVERYTHING to stop. And not one of the things I'd tried worked: the one thing I hadn't tried? READING the Bible. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. While we are yet sinners, we must learn to repent. You see, the change has got to be inward for it to have any permanent affect. You've got to learn to hate your sin with spirit, mind, and soul! You've gotta treat it like a leper: make it keep its distance, listen for that cry of "Sin!" in the city streets, and flee at its presence. Devote yourself to prayer and Bible study, if you really wanna beat this thing. FIGHT THE FLESH. RUN THE RACE. BE A MAN. TAKE THE STAND. Find an accountability partner; some1 a little bit more mature in their Walk than you are, who won't make fun of any serious problems you might have. And guys, as crazy as this might sound, try talking to your dads (if they're Christian) about this struggle.That's right; your dad struggled with this exact same problem, more than likely. Otherwise, he'd have been "like Paul" and not have needed to get married. That's all the wisdom I got up in my head for now, and can only leave ya w/ my e-mail address if you need any advice or help. - e-mail me if ya need any help, and I'll do my best to give ya what ya need. God bless, and may the true width, depth, length, and size of Christ's love for you be made even more clear to you in the days to come than it ever has been in the past...

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-and to "foolsparade,"
Friend, it appears that while you are intelligent, you've missed something that is blatantly obvious to billions of people the world over. There is a god. Simple human reasoning demands a god. There's no grounds to reason the non-existence of God. I'm going to use one form of reasoning for God, cuz I'm sort of in a hurry, and I'll continue later...
1. God is by definition the most perfect being imaginable.
2. The most perfect being imaginable cannot by its nature lack any 'good' thing
3. Happiness is a 'good' thing; thus, it possesses supreme happiness.
4. Its existence would also thus be a 'good' thing
5. Therefore, the most perfect imaginable being cannot lack existence.
All that and I haven't even touched Causality, yet. C ya.
 
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bloodofthelamb12 said:
-and to "foolsparade,"
Friend, it appears that while you are intelligent, you've missed something that is blatantly obvious to billions of people the world over. There is a god. Simple human reasoning demands a god. There's no grounds to reason the non-existence of God. I'm going to use one form of reasoning for God, cuz I'm sort of in a hurry, and I'll continue later...
1. God is by definition the most perfect being imaginable.
2. The most perfect being imaginable cannot by its nature lack any 'good' thing
3. Happiness is a 'good' thing; thus, it possesses supreme happiness.
4. Its existence would also thus be a 'good' thing
5. Therefore, the most perfect imaginable being cannot lack existence.
All that and I haven't even touched Causality, yet. C ya.
What is to prove that there must be a perfect? This reasoning was made by an ancient Greek philosopher named Xenophanes. He argued that there must exist a perfect in all of infinity. An ever greater than value. He called this perfect, God. There are a few problems, though, and they are these:

1.)There may not exist an infinity.
2.)How would we define perfect?
3.)If perfection includes goodness and omnipotency, why is there evil in existence?
4.)Not only do we make an assumption by saying, "Existing is good", but also when we say, "The perfect must be a thinking, feeling, and choosing life form." Why must the ever great value be a life form?
 
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Your mind is dirty. I didn't say what KIND of pics I wanted, did I?
 
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masturbation is totally sinfull and wrong.........where is your mind at when you do it.......it is a mind full of sinfull lusts undressing people in your mind and acting out sinfull acts " if a man even looks at a woman lustfully then he has committed adultery" and we all know that adultery is a root sin look at gal 5:19-ff, sexual immorality is just another term for lust and adultery masturbation is a sin right down at heart level.....and another thing that clinches it for me...is would you want the people that you are lusting over to know that you do it??????? because if you dont want them to know and have an understanding that it is wrong and disrespectfull then why would you want to do it before God??????

remember that sin starts first at the heart and the bodys actions are just the indulgence of the hearts already sinfull desire

do not harden your hearts

love phil
 
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Maybe it *is* wrong and sinful. God knows we're just humans, tho and I think He probably expects that we're going to screw up quite a bit. (Just like parents .. or even older brothers <sly grin at my sibling> expect teenagers to screw up.)

There are two things I'd like to present for thought:
1. the act itself may help prevent prostate cancer
2. is it better to be guilty of the act of impurity and avoid fornication, or better to lust all day long to the extent that it is externally noticeable?

I don't have the answers to those. We can't answer these questions for one another -- I don't believe.

Just my two cents.
 
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rebound_x4fish said:
Killing kittens is better then raping them then killing them...

another words better to spank it then really let the pastor's daughter know how you feel in the pew during church

Ummm.... :eek:
 
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It's best to hand your self over to the countrol of God, and not lust OR touch. We're commanded by the Scriptures to be "transformed by the renewing of our mind," and to "set our eyes on Jesus" - do not focus on worldly pleasures: instead, look to God to strengthen your resolve. "Resist the devil and he shall flee": the only reason why you can't seem to win your fight against lust is because you haven't started to HATE your sin more than you LOVE its pleasure. And until you do, there's no way you're gonna stay pure. (btw, if you INTENTIONALLY continue to willfully sin after you've gotten "saved," you probably aren't really Saved, according to the epistles of John/James. Just some food for thought.
 
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