Mass Formation Pyschosis and Moral Decay

[d taylor]

For me, the positive was transitioning to work from home since it coincided with elderly parent becoming bedridden and needing my care. TBH it seems as if the Lord even staved off many of her health issues until I could be there, as they hit her one after the other after that.

I am glad that you were able to be there and help. God surely knows our needs

I am currently looking after my 92/93 (will be the 14th dec). I teach art in school (private school) we have been in school the whole time. But the breaks sure do help out, i have two good sitters. But it just does not match up to me being there.

My school is real good too. i do not have the first class till 8:30 i have an hour for lunch (so i can go home and check on my mom) and i am home around 3:15.

 

[Rachel20]

Thank you.

Sure - I hope this is adequate. I tried not to misrepresent his views:

So Desmet first noted that the predicted mortality rate of Corona based on the models used (from the Imperial College) were dramatically overestimated by at least 1300% as evidenced when the actual numbers came in by the end of 2020. Even stranger, the measures based on these wrong models weren't then reconsidered and the mainstream narrative continued as if they were correct. He also noticeed that the field of attention was very narrowly focused on the victims of the virus as if the collateral damage caused by the Corona measures was not taken into account at all. It was as if they had no mental, cognitive, or emotional impact even when the UN and other institutions warned that the children dying from hunger as a consequence of lockdowns in developing countries could well be higher than the number of people that "could" die as a consequence of the virus, even if no measures were taken at all.

As a consequence, his interest switched from a statistical one to a psychological one, stating he was more afraid of the social dynamics emerging than of the virus itself. He later came to believe those dynamics were a form of the group formation theory he had studied and lectured on. He describes the 4 conditions that must exist for mass formation to occur:

1. a lot of people feel socially isolated and lack social bonds
2. a lack of meaning-making in their lives (no job satisfaction, etc...)
3. a high level of free-floating anxiety and psychological discontent
4. free floating frustration, irritability, and aggression

He describes free-floating anxiety as anxiety which doesn't attach a mental representation as the cause, making it very painful because it can't be controlled or avoided (like a fear of snakes, for example, in which you could relieve the anxiety by avoiding snakes). If under these conditions a narrative is disseminated through the mass media that provides an object for this anxiety while at the same time delivering a strategy to deal with the object, then all this free-floating anxiety of the population might easily attach to this object resulting in a huge willingness to participate in the strategy to deal with the object.

In the context of this crisis, the virus became the object of the anxiety, and the strategy presented by the media to deal with it was the lockdowns, social distancing, etc... As a result, a "new solidarity" emerged in society as everyone participated in a "heroic, collective battle" with the virus. The problem is, this creates the kind of symbiotic relationship that leads to continued buy-ins of narratives that no longer make sense. Under mass formation hypnosis, people no longer go along with narratives because they're correct or scientifically proven, but because they lead to this new social bond. The truth no longer matters. This sets the stage for totalitarianism and therein lies the danger. And the similarity with 1930s Germany where the narrative was controlled against the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, etc... during a time when the 4 preconditions for Mass Formation were met. Even though in our current situation the virus is the enemy, anyone who stands in the way of the controlled strategy for defeating that enemy also becomes the enemy.

 

[Robban]

Sure - I hope this is adequate. I tried not to misrepresent his views:

So Desmet first noted that the predicted mortality rate of Corona based on the models used (from the Imperial College) were dramatically overestimated by at least 1300% as evidenced when the actual numbers came in by the end of 2020. Even stranger, the measures based on these wrong models weren't then reconsidered and the mainstream narrative continued as if they were correct. He also noticeed that the field of attention was very narrowly focused on the victims of the virus as if the collateral damage caused by the Corona measures was not taken into account at all. It was as if they had no mental, cognitive, or emotional impact even when the UN and other institutions warned that the children dying from hunger as a consequence of lockdowns in developing countries could well be higher than the number of people that "could" die as a consequence of the virus, even if no measures were taken at all.

As a consequence, his interest switched from a statistical one to a psychological one, stating he was more afraid of the social dynamics emerging than of the virus itself. He later came to believe those dynamics were a form of the group formation theory he had studied and lectured on. He describes the 4 conditions that must exist for mass formation to occur:

1. a lot of people feel socially isolated and lack social bonds
2. a lack of meaning-making in their lives (no job satisfaction, etc...)
3. a high level of free-floating anxiety and psychological discontent
4. free floating frustration, irritability, and aggression

He describes free-floating anxiety as anxiety which doesn't attach a mental representation as the cause, making it very painful because it can't be controlled or avoided (like a fear of snakes, for example, in which you could relieve the anxiety by avoiding snakes). If under these conditions a narrative is disseminated through the mass media that provides an object for this anxiety while at the same time delivering a strategy to deal with the object, then all this free-floating anxiety of the population might easily attach to this object resulting in a huge willingness to participate in the strategy to deal with the object.

In the context of this crisis, the virus became the object of the anxiety, and the strategy presented by the media to deal with it was the lockdowns, social distancing, etc... As a result, a "new solidarity" emerged in society as everyone participated in a "heroic, collective battle" with the virus. The problem is, this creates the kind of symbiotic relationship that leads to continued buy-ins of narratives that no longer make sense. Under mass formation hypnosis, people no longer go along with narratives because they're correct or scientifically proven, but because they lead to this new social bond. The truth no longer matters. This sets the stage for totalitarianism and therein lies the danger. And the similarity with 1930s Germany where the narrative was controlled against the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, etc... during a time when the 4 preconditions for Mass Formation were met. Even though in our current situation the virus is the enemy, anyone who stands in the way of the controlled strategy for defeating that enemy also becomes the enemy.

A winner in as much as you kept your word and very prompt too.

Thank you for that.

 

[d taylor]

Sure - I hope this is adequate. I tried not to misrepresent his views:

So Desmet first noted that the predicted mortality rate of Corona based on the models used (from the Imperial College) were dramatically overestimated by at least 1300% as evidenced when the actual numbers came in by the end of 2020. Even stranger, the measures based on these wrong models weren't then reconsidered and the mainstream narrative continued as if they were correct. He also noticeed that the field of attention was very narrowly focused on the victims of the virus as if the collateral damage caused by the Corona measures was not taken into account at all. It was as if they had no mental, cognitive, or emotional impact even when the UN and other institutions warned that the children dying from hunger as a consequence of lockdowns in developing countries could well be higher than the number of people that "could" die as a consequence of the virus, even if no measures were taken at all.

As a consequence, his interest switched from a statistical one to a psychological one, stating he was more afraid of the social dynamics emerging than of the virus itself. He later came to believe those dynamics were a form of the group formation theory he had studied and lectured on. He describes the 4 conditions that must exist for mass formation to occur:

1. a lot of people feel socially isolated and lack social bonds
2. a lack of meaning-making in their lives (no job satisfaction, etc...)
3. a high level of free-floating anxiety and psychological discontent
4. free floating frustration, irritability, and aggression

He describes free-floating anxiety as anxiety which doesn't attach a mental representation as the cause, making it very painful because it can't be controlled or avoided (like a fear of snakes, for example, in which you could relieve the anxiety by avoiding snakes). If under these conditions a narrative is disseminated through the mass media that provides an object for this anxiety while at the same time delivering a strategy to deal with the object, then all this free-floating anxiety of the population might easily attach to this object resulting in a huge willingness to participate in the strategy to deal with the object.

In the context of this crisis, the virus became the object of the anxiety, and the strategy presented by the media to deal with it was the lockdowns, social distancing, etc... As a result, a "new solidarity" emerged in society as everyone participated in a "heroic, collective battle" with the virus. The problem is, this creates the kind of symbiotic relationship that leads to continued buy-ins of narratives that no longer make sense. Under mass formation hypnosis, people no longer go along with narratives because they're correct or scientifically proven, but because they lead to this new social bond. The truth no longer matters. This sets the stage for totalitarianism and therein lies the danger. And the similarity with 1930s Germany where the narrative was controlled against the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, etc... during a time when the 4 preconditions for Mass Formation were met. Even though in our current situation the virus is the enemy, anyone who stands in the way of the controlled strategy for defeating that enemy also becomes the enemy.

I will say where i live, this has just not had the government control feel, that other areas have and are feeling.

Right now i know of absolutely no restrictions except for government building that still may be requiring a person to wear a mask. But those are few as the local post office does not. I think government building like the court house, city hall, the public school system may still be requiring mask but that is really the only restrictions i know of.

 

[Rachel20]

I will say where i live, this has just not had the government control feel, that other areas have and are feeling.

Right now i know of absolutely no restrictions except for government building that still may be requiring a person to wear a mask. But those are few as the local post office does not. I think government building like the court house, city hall, the public school system may still be requiring mask but that is really the only restrictions i know of.

Same here, though I don't live in the states that are attempting local vax mandates (like NY). I'm more concerned with what I'm seeing going on in Australia, Austria, parts of India (I posted an article on this one somewhere above), Germany, etc... Although things are concerning here too. The POTUS attempt to get a vax mandate through using OSHA is concerning. That one will definitely impact me as I'm at a company > 100 employees. Though TBH I wouldn't be too sad if I have to retire early But so far the courts are doing the right thing.

 

[Robban]

In the case of Germany it was as if the time was ripe

it was a matter of knowing what buttons to push,

and push them.

Hitler turned Germany around in five years, so he delivered on what he promised,
though it was the German people who made it possible.

Propaganda, old dear to the heart military songs,

Emphasis on young people.

Taking revenge for how badly they had been treated after WW1,

 

[partinobodycular]

As a result, a "new solidarity" emerged in society as everyone participated in a "heroic, collective battle" with the virus. The problem is, this creates the kind of symbiotic relationship that leads to continued buy-ins of narratives that no longer make sense.

You do realize that the anti-vaxxers are using the exact same playbook. Along with the "Stop the Steal" advocates and just about every other view that the moral majority finds unacceptable. It exists anywhere that one side wants to ostracize the other.

If you disagree with someone, simply accuse them of using misinformation and social stigma to ostracize the truly enlightened. It's a very convenient weapon to wield against anyone with which one disagrees...claim the moral and intellectual high ground, and then simply dismiss anyone and anything that disagrees with you.

 

[partinobodycular]

Same here, though I don't live in the states that are attempting local vax mandates (like NY). I'm more concerned with what I'm seeing going on in Australia, Austria, parts of India (I posted an article on this one somewhere above), Germany, etc... Although things are concerning here too. The POTUS attempt to get a vax mandate through using OSHA is concerning. That one will definitely impact me as I'm at a company > 100 employees. Though TBH I wouldn't be too sad if I have to retire early But so far the courts are doing the right thing.

So you're willing to let millions of people die for your right not to wear a mask, or get vaccinated, how truly noble of you.

 

[Robban]

So you're willing to let millions of people die for your right not to wear a mask, or get vaccinated, how truly noble of you.

Are you not at peace with the choice you have made?

 

[partinobodycular]

Are you not at peace with the choice you have made?

Ah, but I'm always at peace, whether it be in the choices that I myself have made, or the ones that others have made for me...I'm always at peace with them. But perhaps your choices are more important to you than mine are to me.

What bothers me isn't other people's choices per se, it's their hypocrisy. Sadly, Christians seem to be rife with it.

 

[Robban]

Ah, but I'm always at peace, whether it be in the choices that I myself have made, or the ones that others have made for me...I'm always at peace with them. But perhaps your choices are more important to you than mine are to me.

What bothers me isn't other people's choices per se, it's their hypocrisy. Sadly, Christians seem to be rife with it.

It is disturbing when first and foremost some or many

rush to get a vaccine out of self survival and then say they did thinking of others safety.

So what do they want, a medal, their name in lights?

 

[Larniavc]

There's an interesting theory going around by Dr Mattias Desmet, which he shares in the video below. In a nutshell, the same "psychosis" that overtook 1930s Germany is overtaking the world now with regard to Covid Vaxes & Passes. Do you agree with him? Why or why not? Especially with regard to giving up one's principles & morals for the sake of the group.

MASS FORMATION PSYCHOSIS

The more I see reports like the one below, the more I tend to think he's on to something.

Teachers in Germany have Resorted to Humiliating Unvaxxed Students to Encourage them to get the Jab

Edit: The video I meant to post with Dr Desmet is here:

https://rokfin.com/stream/9705/Foreign-Agents-10--Covid-and-Mass-Hypnosis

The ‘theory’ suggested in this video is a thinly veiled stab at vaccines. Utter rubbish.

 

[partinobodycular]

It is disturbing when first and foremost some or many

rush to get a vaccine out of self survival and then say they did thinking of others safety.

So what do they want, a medal, their name in lights?

We tend to group people together, into this group or that group, and then we judge them based upon the most vocal of them. This gives us a skewed understanding of what those people are really like...why they do what they do. This then allows us to label a whole swathe of humanity as crazy, or cruel, or indifferent when that's generally not the case. They're just people trying to make sense of a world that seems to have gone crazy, with every nut job and pundit clamoring for views and attention. And the more divisive the rhetoric the more abundant the clicks.

Most people are just trying to live normal quiet lives. They'll get vaccinated because it seems to be the right thing to do. They may post about it on facebook, but that's as radical as they'll get. They won't go to town hall meetings, or turn into a screaming Karen. They're just people.

Unfortunately our technological world seems to want to turn all of us into radicals. Paraphrasing Rudyard Kipling, it's not easy to keep your head, when all around you are losing theirs and blaming it on you. I doubt that that sentiment has ever been more true.

Technology promised to make our world better, but it overlooked one important thing...us

 

[Rachel20]

In the case of Germany it was as if the time was ripe

it was a matter of knowing what buttons to push,

and push them.

Hitler turned Germany around in five years, so he delivered on what he promised,
though it was the German people who made it possible.

Propaganda, old dear to the heart military songs,

Emphasis on young people.

Taking revenge for how badly they had been treated after WW1,

@Robban, thank you for the video. It was chilling and like watching mass formation take place before your eyes. The situation as described "before Hitler" is so close to the preconditions: anxiety due to the economic depression and 7 million unemployed, trouble world-wide, government unable to solve the problems because there were too many parties splitting the votes, meaning-making through the work programs and national pride Hitler promised, etc...

And you could see the relinquishing of personal ethics in order to achieve the narratives goals in Eric's statement at the end "How a people forces its way upward is unimportant, but the goal, the goal is magnificent". Most chilling of all was the main characters last statement "I don't think it was the drink that made their faces glow with such radiance". As she had said in the beginning "it's like they're under a spell"

Are we seeing similar things today as mentioned in the video? Book burnings (censorship), professions being stripped of those not towing the line (no vax, no job), personal freedoms sacrificed? Are we having to "speak through a flower" in this age of PC and cancel culture?

 

[Rachel20]

The ‘theory’ suggested in this video is a thinly veiled stab at vaccines. Utter rubbish.

It's not a stab at vaccines. It's a stab at totalitarianism, and it's not meant to be veiled at all.

 

[Larniavc]

It's not a stab at vaccines. It's a stab at totalitarianism, and it's not meant to be veiled at all.

In what way is keeping people from dying totalitarian?

This whole tread is stupid.

 

[Rachel20]

In what way is keeping people from dying totalitarian?

Look at the way you've worded the question. You've already bought into the narrative that the vax is the only way to keep people from dying. No discussion of natural immunity? No questioning why the unvaxed should lose their jobs when it's common knowledge the vaxed can also get & transmit the virus? Big Bucks Pharma salivates over people like you.

This whole tread is stupid.

To you, because you don't understand it.

 

[Robban]

@Robban, thank you for the video. It was chilling and like watching mass formation take place before your eyes. The situation as described "before Hitler" is so close to the preconditions: anxiety due to the economic depression and 7 million unemployed, trouble world-wide, government unable to solve the problems because there were too many parties splitting the votes, meaning-making through the work programs and national pride Hitler promised, etc...

And you could see the relinquishing of personal ethics in order to achieve the narratives goals in Eric's statement at the end "How a people forces its way upward is unimportant, but the goal, the goal is magnificent". Most chilling of all was the main characters last statement "I don't think it was the drink that made their faces glow with such radiance". As she had said in the beginning "it's like they're under a spell"

Are we seeing similar things today as mentioned in the video? Book burnings (censorship), professions being stripped of those not towing the line (no vax, no job), personal freedoms sacrificed? Are we having to "speak through a flower" in this age of PC and cancel culture?

I have spent a lot of time scanning through documentries and private testamonies,

from all sides trying to understand,

how could it happen?

The darkest of the darkness is a horror of horrors

I think it makes life very difficult, it is like walking on the edge of a knife.

However, there are positive changes going on this day today, if one has the time.

There is so much stress today not so many have the energy left to contemplate properly,

which is understandable, there are so many distractions.

Anyhow, glad you watched the vid.

Keep well.

 

[Gene2memE]

Sure - I hope this is adequate. I tried not to misrepresent his views:

So Desmet first noted that the predicted mortality rate of Corona based on the models used (from the Imperial College) were dramatically overestimated by at least 1300% as evidenced when the actual numbers came in by the end of 2020.

Dr Desmet is wrong here. Flat out, plain, wrong. The model used by the Imperial College paper underestimated the mortality rate.

Here's the original Imperial College paper: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Mortality rates - referred to in the paper as infection fatality ratio- are given on page 5. Here's the relevant paragraph:

The age-stratified proportion of infections that require hospitalisation and the infection fatality ratio (IFR) were obtained from an analysis of a subset of cases from China. These estimates were corrected for non-uniform attack rates by age and when applied to the GB population result in an IFR of 0.9% with 4.4% of infections hospitalised (Table 1).​

Table 1 gives the same, an IFR of 0.9%, with a low of 0.002% for the 0-9 age bracket and a high of 9.3% for the 80+ age bracket.

Current COVID-19 mortality rate globally is 1.97%.

The Imperial College model provided a wide variety of virus reproduction/transmission rates for its estimates. These ranged from unrealistically low to unrealistically high. They also provided a wide variety of "trigger" positions for policy introduction - shutting schools/universities, voluntary isolations, home quarantines, full lockdowns - to slow the spread. This is normal. This is how public policy modelling is done. You generally give a high, low and 'realistic' scenarios, or something similar.

As a result, there is a HUGE spread in total mortality rate estimates from the Imperial College initial modelling. See page 13 of the paper.

For instance, in the UK the scenario with "full lockdown" style approach for each virus surge has a low estimate of 5600 deaths and an upper estimate of 48,000 deaths. The 'do nothing' scenario has a low estimate of 410,000 deaths and an upper estimate of 550,000 deaths.

Also, note that the modelling is for deaths over 2 years, not one.

Given that the UK has had 150,000 deaths, at best the Imperial College models overstated potential mortality by ~275%. In the worst case. You could also phrase it that their best case understated potential mortality by more than 2800%.

Even stranger, the measures based on these wrong models weren't then reconsidered and the mainstream narrative continued as if they were correct. He also noticeed that the field of attention was very narrowly focused on the victims of the virus as if the collateral damage caused by the Corona measures was not taken into account at all. It was as if they had no mental, cognitive, or emotional impact even when the UN and other institutions warned that the children dying from hunger as a consequence of lockdowns in developing countries could well be higher than the number of people that "could" die as a consequence of the virus, even if no measures were taken at all.

This is flat out wrong as well.

Have you actually read any of the health briefings on COVID-19 that have come out of the WHO, or the COVID-19 Strategic Preparedness and Response Plans from the UN? They have multiple sections dedicated to topics around dislocations caused by the pandemic situation - lockdowns, social stressors, isolation, dealing with changed medical situations, how it will affect people with disabilites and those with lower incomes, ect, ect.

It's not like they didn't release a mental health plan in May-2020:
UNSDG | Policy Brief: COVID-19 and the Need for Action on Mental Health

Or release literally dozens of scio-economic response plans over 2020 to support less developed nations:
UNSDG | United Nations development assistance framework for the immediate socio-economic response to COVID-19
UNSDG | Resources Library


Do none of you people do even basic fact checking any more?
Or do you just hear an opinion you like and take it as a gospel truth.

 

[Rachel20]

Do none of you people do even basic fact checking any more?

I doubt you and I trust the same sources. Desmet's 1300% figure was for Sweden, btw. And he mentioned the UN warning on impact of lockdowns. I'd be curious how the UK established the Covid deaths. Were autopsies performed on all to determine they were deaths from Covid, or were they deaths with Covid? Also, how were the Covid diagnoses made? Were PCR tests used? What were the cycle thresholds?