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I left the forum for years because of the ignorance and hate I received from brothers and sisters in Christ. It's good to come back and see that different people are repeating the same lies.
I am a Christian and a Freemason. Your approval is not required.
Still, we should grapple with the ideas many churches have of Masonry. Some will not bury a Brother Mason because of their false beliefs.
Yours in the Lord,
jm
I know you wanted the opinion of Baptists. I'm a former Baptist, does that count? I'll just say that Orthodox Christians are all told to stay away from Masonic anything, and to leave if they have joined out of ignorance. It has all the trappings of a mystery-religion. And, to be perfectly blunt, Masons that complain that Christians misunderstand them have no ground, because they could easily dispel any and all notions to the contrary. However, they do not because they're all about keeping their oaths and secrets. That right there tells us what is really important to the individuals in question. Why anyone would have to join something first in order to find out what it's all about makes no sense, anyway.
The Greeks for certain and also ROCOR (and the OCA affirmed the statement of the Church of Greece). However, the anti-Masonry stance is fairly universal. Yes, there are tales of some here and there joining (we know one guy at our parish that is a Mason), but it is not approved in the least.Thank you for the reply. Is this just the Greek jurisdiction or all Orthodox jurisdictions?
The Greeks for certain and also ROCOR (and the OCA affirmed the statement of the Church of Greece). However, the anti-Masonry stance is fairly universal. Yes, there are tales of some here and there joining (we know one guy at our parish that is a Mason), but it is not approved in the least.
I know you wanted the opinion of Baptists. I'm a former Baptist, does that count? I'll just say that Orthodox Christians are all told to stay away from Masonic anything, and to leave if they have joined out of ignorance. It has all the trappings of a mystery-religion. And, to be perfectly blunt, Masons that complain that Christians misunderstand them have no ground, because they could easily dispel any and all notions to the contrary. However, they do not because they're all about keeping their oaths and secrets. That right there tells us what is really important to the individuals in question. Why anyone would have to join something first in order to find out what it's all about makes no sense, anyway.
I never knew you were a Mason. However, things that have perplexed me regarding certain things you've posted make sense in light of that information. I think that your Christianity is very influenced by your Masonry.Hi, "now faith."
It's been awhile since you wrote your post and Ive been away from the forum for much of the time, so my apologies for the delay, but I owe you my reply. Yes, Christ is mentioned all the time and Masonic ritual leans heavily on the Bible.
What you are referring to as a rule of a lack of affiliation does not exist. I know the churches that most of my brothers attend, and Masonry encourages members to be active in them, in fact, in whatever denomination is theirs. The rule is that all members must be believers in one God and that the human soul is immortal.
If you are a Baptist or an Episcopalian or even a Catholic (the church formally opposes Masonry, as you probably know), it is all the same to the lodge, and I know Masons who belong to all of these plus, of course, other examples that might be mentioned too.
There is no Masonic god and there is no effort to have members agree that all religions are equally good, or anything like that, although there are many people who have heard gossip that says Masons believe in both of those things. It is not so.
Thanks for asking your questions.
^None of which truly delve into the particulars of Masonry. They are attempts at refuting those that are against Masonry without breaking their 'sacred oaths'- which honestly can't be done if they're not being completely forthcoming.You mean like writing entire books on the topic?
https://www.amazon.com/Workmen-Unas...508804008&sr=8-1&keywords=Christopher+Haffner
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idi...keywords=complete+idiots+guide+to+freemasonry
https://www.amazon.com/Born-Blood-L...&qid=1508804075&sr=1-1&keywords=born+in+blood
https://www.amazon.com/Freemasons-D...804093&sr=1-1&keywords=freemasons+for+dummies
https://www.amazon.com/About-Freema...ds=is+it+true+what+they+say+about+freemasonry
https://www.amazon.com/Pilgrims-Pat...id=1508804142&sr=1-1&keywords=a+pilgrims+path
Or like having websites dedicated to the topic?
Masonic Service Association of North America
Anti-Masonry: Points of View
United Grand Lodge of England - Frequently Asked Questions
Or do you mean like myself and other Masons have done repeatedly on this site? (just a few linked)
LDS - The Mormon Church and Freemasonry
Freemasonry
The Masonic Concept of God
Do masons build?
Freemasonry. Separating myth from fiction.
Free Masons
^None of which truly delve into the particulars of Masonry. They are attempts at refuting those that are against Masonry without breaking their 'sacred oaths'- which honestly can't be done if they're not being completely forthcoming.
Why do you so vehemently defend your mystery-religion over the Christian faith? When you have both Catholics and Orthodox as well as many Evangelicals and Protestants agreeing that one must be either a Christian or a Mason- that one cannot be both- then you need to pay attention.And the lies keep on coming. Hard to believe a Christian can be so dishonest.
Why do you so vehemently defend your mystery-religion over the Christian faith? When you have both Catholics and Orthodox as well as many Evangelicals and Protestants agreeing that one must be either a Christian or a Mason- that one cannot be both- then you need to pay attention.
Serious question. After your profession of faith, when you were told, 'Your trust is in God, your faith is well founded'-is that the same response that would also be given to a Jew, Muslim, or Deist (you know- those that deny Christ)?Why do you so vehemently defend your lack of understanding over the Christian faith? When you have both Catholics and Orthodox as well as many Evangelicals and Protestants agreeing that one can be both a Christian or a Mason- that one can be both- then you need to pay attention.
See how this works both ways?
The reason I defend it is because as a follow of Christ I believe in truth. The truth is there is no conflict between Christianity and Freemasonry.
Serious question. After your profession of faith, when you were told, 'Your trust is in God, your faith is well founded'-is that the same response that would also be given to a Jew, Muslim, or Deist (you know- those that deny Christ)?
Yet you align yourself to those that believe that even those that deny Christ follow the same God as Christians?100%
Yet you align yourself to those that believe that even those that deny Christ follow the same God as Christians?
Cognitive dissonanceDon't remember saying non-Christians follow the same God as Christians.
Cognitive dissonance
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