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Elijah Hashem

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The most important body is the body of believers, and our true brethren are the ones who are in Christ. That's who I would suggest putting importance in, regardless if some deny the theological/mystical nature of Orders. But before I step on any moderator toes, I will probably not go into much more as I would cross the line in this conversation. I can always open up a thread about theology, Christianity, and Masonry in another appropriate thread.

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I honestly don't care what people think when it comes to this subject anymore because I've learned that most of the nonsense is based on the antimasonry movement of the 1800's and not based in fact. It's like saying your children can't join the a karate class or do yoga because it's not Christian.

Let me tell you, most of what passes for "ministries" in Baptist churches simply are not. That includes AWANA, Vacation Bible School, playing Bible hangman in "Jr. Church" when those kids should be worshiping God in the congregation with their parents, etc. The list goes on.
 
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Sorry, my lost post may seem rude and that was not my intention. I was posting with a time limit! lol

All I meant is that most people have a prejudice against the Lodge without having any real knowledge of it.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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I'm not telling you to not do anything you want to do because it's not Christian, I'm merely suggesting that one cannot be a Mason and a Christian legitimately at the same time.
Well, you see, this is the point of all such discussions around here. My comment was only to the effect that CF has a place for it to take place. In order to get us underway, I will myself take your inquiry to the Conspiracy Theories forum so we can talk about it as much as needed.
 
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The more I learn about the Freemasons the more I realize people from the outside looking in just can't seem to grasp the fraternity. Most of what you read about Masons is 'fake news.' During my research last week I found an order from the Lodge written in 1921 for its members to attend church, any church, to worship Jesus. Doesn't sound cultist to me...sounds like a bunch of dudes that are serious about keeping each other accountable.
 
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I do not see a source reference for your information.
 
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Interesting topic for Baptist.
I have a couple of questions.
Who are the Jesters and what would be their job in the Masonic order?
Is the principal religon Islamic and do they use the Quran?
Or is the full Monty of their doctrine made known after the 33 degrees and they become shriners?
Is there a symbolic meaning to the red fez hats of the Shriners?

Just a few questions JM as well I should ask are you going to have the sword above the Cresent moon bumper sticker?

It's a private matter I suppose ,that you have thought about.
God Bless
 
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Ask them to explain
"MA-HA-BONE"

Why ? You and I both know what time it is your a visitor here like me.
At one time I was a Baptist, and still follow some Baptist Preachers like Charles Lawson,Kent Hovine and Charles Stanly.
 
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Unless someone requires you to sell your soul--or asks you to do that or implies that you should or rewards you if you do so--the claim is meaningless. Since Masonry doesn't ask any member to hold to any particular religion and isn't affiliated itself with any religion, the claim is meaningless. Or shall we rather say it's just wrong?
 
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Joining the masons includes taking part in initiation ceremonies... The first of which requires the initiate to declare that he is currently in darkness and is seeking the Light of freemasonry... If a Christian takes part in this initiation then they are declaring that they are in Darkness and thus they are declaring the Christianity they are currently in is Darkness.. This is a total denial of the LORD Jesus Christ..

If one is a Christian then they are already in the Light... To them declare that you are in darkness is an insult to your LORD Jesus Christ.. It is denying Christ..

Christians should Never join Masonry....
 
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Sounds like the fraternity is first in sanctification for their believers.
Does God need the help of masons to hold His Children accountable?
Or are the members accountable to their Shrine ,then God?

God through The Holy Spirit will prick a man's heart,because there is somthing wrong if a man has to justify his fellowships.
 
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If one is a Christian then they are already in the Light... To them declare that you are in darkness is an insult to your LORD Jesus Christ.. It is denying Christ..

Christians should Never join Masonry....
If you interpret it that way, then you probably would not be a good candidate for Masonry. However, what you've explained is not the correct meaning, as the whole of the rituals you are not familiar with make amply clear. If it were not so, no Christian would be a Mason, and yet most members are Christians.
 
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Sadly many people.. Christians or not don't stop to think what they are doing before they swaer oaths.. Indeed if a Christian believes Jesus they will never swaer an Oath..

Matthew 5: KJV
33 "¶ Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: {34} But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: {35} Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. {36} Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. {37} But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

Those who believe Jesus believe His Word on the Matter..

Christians should have nothing to do with masonry.. And if a christian is a mason they should renounce membership and repent to the LORD for their transgression..
 
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Sadly many people.. Christians or not don't stop to think what they are doing before they swaer oaths.. Indeed if a Christian believes Jesus they will never swaer an Oath..
I am aware that a few Christians feel that way. They, of course, should not be Masons or belong to any similar fraternity...or appear as a witness in court, hold political office, swear out a legal claim of any sort, serve in any of the military services, or engage in other civic and social activities of a similar character. My church isn't opposed to any of that, but if you and your church are, by all means be true to your conscience.

Those who believe Jesus believe His Word on the Matter..
For many hundreds of years, that verse has been interpreted by the churches in a different way from what you're describing, and I'm comfortable with the traditional meaning.
 
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I am a Mason and a Christian. I am yet to be in a position where I feel my faith is in danger.

I remember at one stage of my initiation seeing one of the Men I respected most in Church right in front of me holding out his hand with a smile on his face. I immediately felt at ease.
 
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