Mary

[W2L]

If you mean the Roman Catholic Church, it's hard to see how they invented these things solo when the Chalcedonian and non-Chalcedonian Orthodox also venerate Mary.

Its all rooted in Catholicism. They are different sides of the same coin.

 

[archer75]

The one you are defending.

I am not "defending" any denomination. I tried to explain the practice as I understood it. Further, more than ome denomination is known for this practice. It seems you are laboring under the impression that the Roman Church invented this practice, but that's not so.

 

[W2L]

I am not "defending" any denomination. I tried to explain the practice as I understood it. Further, more than ome denomination is known for this practice. It seems you are laboring under the impression that the Roman Church invented this practice, but that's not so.

Its all rooted in the same doctrine. All those Churches split from each other. They have the same roots however.

 

[archer75]

Its all rooted in Catholicism. They are different sides of the same coin.

Hm. I'd suggest that if you're interested, you air this idea over at The Ancient Way and Voice in the Desert as well as the Roman Catholic sub-forum. That is, if you're actually interested in learning about the history of these churches and their practices. Not just if you want to disparage them.

 

[archer75]

Its all rooted in the same doctrine. All those Churches split from each other. They have the same roots however.

They do indeed. And if you erase those Churches and their roots then you have no Christianity.

 

[W2L]

Hm. I'd suggest that if you're interested, you air this idea over at The Ancient Way and Voice in the Desert as well as the Roman Catholic sub-forum. That is, if you're actually interested in learning about the history of these churches and their practices. Not just if you want to disparage them.

They all split from each other and so they all have similar doctrine on Mary. Thats a fact.

 

[W2L]

They do indeed. And if you erase those Churches and their roots then you have no Christianity.

Who wants to erase anything? Also, the roots of the Lords Church are not found in Catholicism. Its found in the word of Christ. Catholicism came after the Church that the apostles founded.

 

[archer75]

Who wants to erase anything? Also, the roots of the Lords Church are not found in Catholicism. Its found in the word of Christ. Catholicism came after the Church that the apostles founded.

Could you explain more about this?

 

[W2L]

Could you explain more about this?

Its pretty self explanatory. I have explained it, its the truth, and thats that.

 

[archer75]

Its pretty self explanatory. I have explained it, its the truth, and thats that.

Well, when did the apostles' church die out (or did it?)? When did what you call the Catholic Church begin? Did you explain those things? If so, please just point me to the post. I just want to make sure we're on the same page.

 

[W2L]

Well, when did the apostles' church die out (or did it?)? When did what you call the Catholic Church begin? Did you explain those things? If so, please just point me to the post. I just want to make sure we're on the same page.

You go ask those folks yourself. Im not going to debate history with you.

 

[archer75]

You go ask those folks yourself. Im not going to debate history with you.

I apologize. It seemed throughout the the thread that you were here to debate informally. Now I see that you weren't. Although it seemed reasonable to think so since you started a thread about an extremely common Christian practice and appeared engaging in replying. Now all of a sudden your interest has bottomed out.

 

[W2L]

I apologize. It seemed throughout the the thread that you were here to debate informally. Now I see that you weren't. Although it seemed reasonable to think so since you started a thread about an extremely common Christian practice and appeared engaging in replying. Now all of a sudden your interest has bottomed out.

No, you want to bait me into thread derailment. Its common knowledge that those churches split from each other and you and everyone else knows it. So why do you want to debate it?. You want dates and all that, but its not relevant to the topic. Its enough to know they did split from each other. So just admit it and move on.

 

[W2L]

No more red herring please.

 

[archer75]

No, you want to bate me into thread derailment. Its common knowledge that those churches split from each other and you and everyone else knows it. So why do you want to debate it?. You want dates and all that, but its not relevant to the topic. Its enough to know they did split from each other. So just admit it and move on.

I didn't "debate" that they did split from each other. But what is widely known is that the roots of those churches are in the original "unified" Church. You seemed to talk as if the apostolic church had a different origin. I tried to ask about that because I don't know anything about it.

 

[W2L]

I didn't "debate" that they did split from each other. But what is widely known is that the roots of those churches are in the original "unified" Church. You seemed to talk as if the apostolic church had a different origin. I tried to ask about that because I don't know anything about it.

Lets not derail please.

 

[archer75]

Lets not derail please.

Why is it derailment to explain what I said? Why can't you reply to what I said instead of just talking about red herrings and derailment.

The thread topic is veneration of / prayers to Mary -- an ancient Christian practice. Why aren't the origins of that practice relevant? If the RC, OO, and EO churches are all not apostolic and there was some other original church that never venerated Mary, which you suggested, why is that not something I can ask about?

 

[W2L]

Why is it derailment to explain what I said? Why can't you reply to what I said instead of just talking about red herrings and derailment.

The thread topic is veneration of / prayers to Mary -- an ancient Christian practice. Why aren't the origins of that practice relevant? If the RC, OO, and EO churches are all not apostolic and there was some other original church that never venerated Mary, which you suggested, why is that not something I can ask about?

I explained it adequately for this topic, and so debating it in more detail is not even relevant, not even remotely. What i said is clearly true and there is no need to go into more detail because its not relevant. Please, go to a history forum if you like that kind of stuff. As for me i think history is flawed and written much like false doctrine is written. I wouldn't bet my life on what historians say. You can always go start a thread if wish. Im going to stop responding to this line of questioning though, because you are derailing the thread.,

 

[archer75]

I explained it adequately for this topic, and so debating it in more detail is not even relevant, not even remotely. What i said is clearly true and there is no need to go into more detail because its not relevant. Please, go to a history forum if you like that kind of stuff. As for me i think history is flawed and written much like false doctrine is written. I wouldn't bet my life on what historians say. You can always go start a thread if wish. Im going to stop responding to this line of questioning though, because you are derailing the thread.,

I did not derail the thread, in my opinion, as I stated above. I was following up on implications that you made. I wanted to know more - in connection with the topic.

I don't quite know why you would start a thread if you just declare your own unsubstantiated -undefined, even - opinion to be true. But I guess I see why you don't care to talk history.

I will leave you to the thread, then.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I don't have to talk to my brother, but we are family and we share things. So I don't get why there is a problem. It is not about to have to do anything, but we are family and we share things. Mary, Mother of the Lord, is a significant person in our family.

that's a nice analogy... was looking for some scripture though.