Yes I take human's word even on the Bible with salt because it is human. The Bible was authored by God so I can take that how it is revealed to me by the Holy Spirit.
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I take it you also have to discount a lot of opinion in commentaries as not backed up by the verse? Or is that because I use google as a way to check commentaries and we get lists of different takes on a given verse. I believe the Holy Spirit is the best tool as to how to interpret and a grasp of what is said in many other related verses. ?
Why don't you ask Sam91 that?
'Wisdom from above' that is, and probably prevented me from unintentionally sinning. Thank you indeedBecause it was a rhetorical statement I was pointing out that all our opinions of each others faith is worthless and merely puffing up it's not always truth we can't rely on our opinions we can only rely on God and His Word.
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False.
I dont get why Mary is prayed to..
I didn't read the whole thread, it comes up often enough that I have a general idea where the discussion centers.
Responding to the OP; I don't understand the misunderstanding.
Either you believe in 'life after death' aka eternal life or not.
That's the crux of the confusion.
Really? Do you pray to fellow Catholics? Do you pray to your brothers and sisters? Do you pray to your Churches bishop? Nope. Why not?
I'm sorry, but I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. I already explained what praying to saints involves. I'm not lying to you. If you really want to understand where Catholics are coming from then at least be willing to accept our explanations.
I'm sorry, but I don't know how to make it any clearer to you. I already explained what praying to saints involves. I'm not lying to you. If you really want to understand where Catholics are coming from then at least be willing to accept our explanations.
It's the 'to' business that makes me uncomfortable. Praying for people I can get behind but praying to them to ask what I can go to God and directly ask him for seems bizarre.
What does the Bible say about praying to / speaking to / talking to the dead?Ok I see where you're coming from. Earlier I mentioned that when we pray to saints what we are really doing is asking them to pray for us. We're essentially just communicating with them and not sending our prayers to them as if they are powers unto themselves in substitution of God. As an example I pray the rosary and I'll pray it for specific intentions. Let's say I pray it for the intention of getting a new job. What I'm doing is asking Mary to pray to God that I get a new job. If I were to ask a fellow Christian to pray for me that I get a new job, what they're doing is praying to God that I get a new job. The only difference between the two is one is in heaven while the other is still on Earth. That's about the best way I can think of explaining it so I hope that makes it clearer.
Ok I see where you're coming from. Earlier I mentioned that when we pray to saints what we are really doing is asking them to pray for us. We're essentially just communicating with them and not sending our prayers to them as if they are powers unto themselves in substitution of God. As an example I pray the rosary and I'll pray it for specific intentions. Let's say I pray it for the intention of getting a new job. What I'm doing is asking Mary to pray to God that I get a new job. If I were to ask a fellow Christian to pray for me that I get a new job, what they're doing is praying to God that I get a new job. The only difference between the two is one is in heaven while the other is still on Earth. That's about the best way I can think of explaining it so I hope that makes it clearer.
Oh I just read that and was dismayed at the inherent twisting of scripture or drawing ideas out of it I can not see.Necromancy is condemned, which is different. Praying to Dead Folks | Catholic Answers
The 'Heroes of the faith' chapter of Hebrews is a Hall of fame. An example of how people acted in Faith and the results of it. Hebrews 11Necromancy is condemned, which is different. Praying to Dead Folks | Catholic Answers
Scripture most certainly is profitable for teaching. But the question is - how do you know what Scripture is?I go by Jesus fulfilling the OT in the NT being the only proof I need that the NT is validated and considered Scripture and profitable for teaching. Jesus is God's word. I can't go outside of that without damning myself. I don't need to find a 'fact' or a 'specific sentence or book title' as a reason to believe.
Many people are dismayed by truth. And many people cannot see truth because of their own pride.Oh I just read that and was dismayed at the inherent twisting of scripture or drawing ideas out of it I can not see.
You make it sound so innocent, however Mary is not the Holy Spirit, Nor was she sent to intercede for us. Our prayers should always be directed to the Lord our God. Is that not enough? God is supposed to be glorified in all things.
Its not just that however. Its the queen of heaven thing too. If there is such a thing as Heavens queen, then its the Church who is queen, not Mary. Mary again is taken from her rightful place and is replacing the Church as queen. God gets glory for everything. His Church is also His body. Eve was taken from Adam, not adam taken from Eve. So it is with the Church. The great mystery of the Church Paul spoke of. They shall be one flesh. Who? Mary and Christ? No! the Church and Christ.
I replied again just below with my objections and the bible links quoted in the article. You are free to click and see for yourself if you can see any foundation for the beliefs.Many people are dismayed by truth. And many people cannot see truth because of their own pride.
How many books are in the New Testament, and what are there names?I replied again just below with my objections and the bible links quoted in the article. You are free to click and see for yourself if you can see any foundation for the beliefs.
You are free to accuse me of pride brother. In my opinion I have looked and investigated the events quoted and tried to see how these statements could be inferred. I can't.
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