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And then there's also the verse that tells us to hold fast to the traditions taught to us. Not to mention, that verse is talking about Isaiah's prophecies. Isaiah 8 - Passage[wash my mouth]Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
Verses 11 to 20 give a very different picture of what your verse means.
11For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, 12Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.
13Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.
16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
17And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.
18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
I appreciate your discussion with me, and I obviously have more study and improvements to make. Thus I will not answer this paragraph for now.No, Jesus wasn't shifting definitions. You just think he was. You're taking a bunch of different metaphorical phrases and pretending they all mean the same thing. Your logic is something along the lines of "if I am Christian, then I'm Jesus' mother!" That doesn't make any sense at all. It's speaking to something completely different. It's not leveling the heavenly playing field like you think it is. Context is everything. Paul also tells us that the prayer of a righteous man is very powerful. I think that alone nullifies your idea.
Yeah, and... ? The New Testament was not canonized until 300 years after the founding of Christianity. What did the believers do during those 3 centuries?
False queen of heaven here.
Pharisees had the law and prophets and psalms and canonized them before Jesus's time and Jesus rode the Pharisees and their scribes (Talmud? Like the catechism?) pretty hard!
Some people have tried to say that God blesses with His right hand and judges with His left (and for that reason, some parents only spank with their left hand) but that's taking great liberties generalizing one parable.
False queen of heaven here.I am speaking about a true queen of heaven. We do not see in scripture that Heaven has a queen.
Not at all.
And the traditions handed down weren't randomly decided teachings, they were the traditions that had been learned from the scriptures which were in turn taught to the gentiles, who in turn were to teach them to the next generation.
Isa 8: 11-20
I don't see anything here that paints a different picture then what I said. God tells Isaiah to look to Him and fear Him. He says His word will be an offense to Israel.
His law will be bound up with His disciples, not tradition, and those who have truth will speak according to the law and the testimony, again, nothing about tradition.
Well, according to what we saw taking place in Paul's letters, the churches were having a difficult time actually doing what Jesus and the apostles taught -- including the Roman Church.
ALSO: "The Word became flesh," not "flesh became the Word!"
What does this have to do with anything?
It has to do with "the Word became flesh" and not "flesh became the Word"...
Because if Mary's egg became Jesus... the (fallen) flesh became the Word. But we are told the opposite: "The Word became flesh."
Mary is the Christotokos (bearer of the human Christ) not the Theotokos (bearer of the eternal God.)
Granted, this might have a place on the Mariology board I have noticed since posting this.
So what does that have to do with Mary being QueenJesus is fully God and fully man. You can't ever have them separate. That's Nestorianism (I think).
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