Mary and the Scriptures

[Standing Up]

And yet if Christ is our adoptive Brother, then His mother is our adoptive mother. It's therefore theologically acceptable to refer to Mary using maternal language. One doesn't have to obviously, but it's birthed out of explicitly biblical teaching. There is no harm in referring to she who gave birth to our Savior and God with loving and affectionate language. All human beings are worthy of being addressed and spoken of lovingly and affectionately, so it seems logical to me that at the very least the same could be said of the Blessed Virgin mother of our Lord.

-CryptoLutheran

Believe Paul refers to the Jerusalem above as our mother. You think that's Mary?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Believe Paul refers to the Jerusalem above as our mother. You think that's Mary?

Depends, the woman who gave birth to me a little over 30 years ago is with the Lord in heaven, do I think she also is the Jerusalem above?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Standing Up]

Depends, the woman who gave birth to me a little over 30 years ago is with the Lord in heaven, do I think she also is the Jerusalem above?

-CryptoLutheran

Probably not. Paul is contrasting the two covenants, the one earthly, the other spiritual. We're children of promise.

 

[MamaZ]

And yet if Christ is our adoptive Brother, then His mother is our adoptive mother. It's therefore theologically acceptable to refer to Mary using maternal language. One doesn't have to obviously, but it's birthed out of explicitly biblical teaching. There is no harm in referring to she who gave birth to our Savior and God with loving and affectionate language. All human beings are worthy of being addressed and spoken of lovingly and affectionately, so it seems logical to me that at the very least the same could be said of the Blessed Virgin mother of our Lord.

-CryptoLutheran

Well actually it is a Spiritual birth and not one of the Flesh. So therefore since Mary has noting to do with my Spiritual birth there is no adoptive mother in the Spirit. For in the Spirit we have three. Father , Son , Holy Spirit. All Being God. We are to know no man according to the flesh. Mary is actually a sister in the Lord. For she too was saved by Grace through the new birth of the Spirit.

 

[SolomonVII]

Depends, the woman who gave birth to me a little over 30 years ago is with the Lord in heaven, do I think she also is the Jerusalem above?

-CryptoLutheran

Do you consider your mother in heaven who gave birth to you and called you personally by name, is your heavenly intermediary?

As Mary is for Catholics at least?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Depends, the woman who gave birth to me a little over 30 years ago is with the Lord in heaven, do I think she also is the Jerusalem above?

-CryptoLutheran

Is her name Mary by any chance?

 

[paul becke]

It had never ocurred to me before, but it is apparently, in one sense, no more than an extension of the community of saints, whereby we were instructed to pray for each other; and who could have more influence with her son, than Mary the mother of God. This is where I read it:

Why pray to anyone but Jesus? - Catholic Answers Forums

 

[paul becke]

Well actually it is a Spiritual birth and not one of the Flesh. So therefore since Mary has noting to do with my Spiritual birth there is no adoptive mother in the Spirit. For in the Spirit we have three. Father , Son , Holy Spirit. All Being God. We are to know no man according to the flesh. Mary is actually a sister in the Lord. For she too was saved by Grace through the new birth of the Spirit.

No. It was also a birth in the flesh, making Jesus, true Man as well as true God. That was pivotal to our redemption.

 

[MamaZ]

No. It was also a birth in the flesh, making Jesus, true Man as well as true God. That was pivotal to our redemption.

We are not born into the family of God through the flesh. We are born of the Spirit into the family of God where we cry Abba.

 

[narnia59]

We are not born into the family of God through the flesh. We are born of the Spirit into the family of God where we cry Abba.

Which is only possible because Jesus was born into the human family through the flesh.

 

[MamaZ]

Which is only possible because Jesus was born into the human family through the flesh.

That still does not make His mother of the Flesh our mother of the Spirit. We have no heavenly mother.

 

[paul becke]

That still does not make His mother of the Flesh our mother of the Spirit. We have no heavenly mother.

Why not? Jesus became man, so that we might become part of his spiritual family in heaven; an extended family, into which we become his adopted brotehrs and sisters. 'Know ye not that ye are gods?' And we know that there is only one God.

Do you think that now that their life on earth is past, Jesus would discard the reverent loving relationship he would have had with his mother in their earthly existence? God is not less human than us; he is more human - in the best sense of that word.

 

[MamaZ]

]Why not? Jesus became man, so that we might become part of his spiritual family in heaven; an extended family, into which we become his adopted brotehrs and sisters. 'Know ye not that ye are gods?' And we know that there is only one God.

Jesus became man to be tempted as we are and to die a brutal death for us. For while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. We are part of His Spiritual family due to the rebirthing of the Spirit. Ony available because of the shed blood and ressurection of Jesus.

Do you think that now that their life on earth is past, Jesus would discard the reverent loving relationship he would have had with his mother in their earthly existence? God is not less human than us; he is more human - in the best sense of that word.

[/QUOTE]



Do you not know that we are to know no man according to the flesh? Just as scripture teaches us. God is not Human actually. The Son became flesh. Not the Father. As far as the family extending into Heaven as mother, son, daughter, and husband NO. For we will all be brothers and sisters in the eternal family. Due to the new birth of the Spirit. This is why we are told to know no man according to the flesh.

 

[pshun2404]

I know I am a memebr to the one holy, catholic, and apostolic church, but do not adhere to Roman Catholicism predominately for the following reason.

When I first became called by God, I once was visiting Roman Catholic churches regularly, and joyfully participating in their services. There was a Bishop who was there celebrating the Mass (which I out of respect for their tradition willfully did not partake in). He denied the laity the blood of Christ. This was disturbing enough.

After the Mass, when we were alll gathered downstairs, he approached me and said I noticed you did not partake of the Eucharist are you not Catholic? And I told him, on the contrary I was, but not Roman Catholic. I asked "If I were serious and wanted to become a Roman Catholic what must I do" and he said "you must swear your aliegence to and become devoted to the Blessed Mother" (whom I respect greatly as being chosen among all women to be the mother of my Lord) and I turned and grasped his hand gently and said I can only swear alleigence to and stay devoted to the one she swore alleigence to and was devoted to...the Lord Jesus and no one else. He shuttered and said as he immediately pulled his hand away, "Then you cannot be Roman Catholic for this is the first requirement."

And since then I have never sought to even consider such a heresy ever again. Now perhaps he was the exception (I certainly hope so) for I have found and enjoy listenig to Father Ed McDonough and Thom Dilorenzo and other Christ centered, word centered Catholic teachers, but if Christ (who Mary always obeyed unto this day) is not the focus, then how can it be said to be the true way? I am sure that my holy Mary, mother of God, is appalled by this human exaltation. As she said in Cana...do as He says. Get it? Focus on Christ...there is no other mediator. Not do as I say but do as he says...

In Him we can come boldly before the throne of grace to obtain mercy in time of need. Now yes we can call on other saints to pray with and for us, we are one in Him (the communion of saints), and they can call on us, but we cannot pray to one another (not to Mary, or to Saint Jude, or to any one else). Only God has the power and authority to answer prayer.

Mary confessed just as I do, of her need for the savior...Now I love her, and she is a great model, but just a woman none the less. As far as personal holiness any of us would pale in comparison to Mary, but in really being Holy it is all of Him setting us apart and making us His own (which included her) to be uniquely used for His purpose for that is what it means to be Holy. Just my $.02...the Lord bless you and keep you...please reply if you feel so moved.

Paul

 

[James4_14]

***Luke 1:80 And the child (John) grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
***Luke 2:40 And the child (Jesus) grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
An intentional parallel here. Mary did not teach Jesus. It was God Himself!

***Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
He knew at a very early age what His mission was!
Mary did not have this wisdom:
***John 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

***Luke 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

She was not His teacher

 

[James4_14]

pshun2404:

Lovely. Just lovely.

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

"advanced in wisdom and age and favor before God and man." Luke 2:52

in other words, Jesus learned. And Mary taught Him (they homeschooled in those days).

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

Jesus was full of wisdom but not by marys teachings - this is Godly wisdom and it wasn't taught to him through Mary.... I don't know about home schooled but a women wouldn't be teaching Jesus anything to do with Gods kingdom...

 

[ViaCrucis]

Mariaphobia is perhaps the oddest of all fears.

Heaven forbid that we affirm the Incarnation and the doctrine of our salvation through He who became man for our sake.

-CryptoLutheran