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Irrelevant. That doesn't change the fact that they were His half-siblings. The Greek may not recognize that nuance, but there is no case to be made for Mary's perpetual virginity.They were not.
There was not a word in Aramaic, Hebrew, or koine Greek for "half siblings."
But the perpetual virginity is extra biblical theology. It is a story that has no basis in fact or Scripture.Did you know that having your own copy of the Bible is an extrabiblical tradition?
So is using hymnals and pews.
"The students worked quietly until the teacher returned to the classroom". This statement does not say anything about what the students did on the teacher's return. Did they change from their previous condition of working quietly? The text doesn't say one way or the other.That "until" pretty strongly implies that after the birth of Jesus, Mary and Joseph did have normal marital relations — otherwise, why bother to say it?
And singing from hymnals is NOT extra biblical theology?But the perpetual virginity is extra biblical theology. It is a story that has no basis in fact or Scripture.
Yes, one can be made.Irrelevant. That doesn't change the fact that they were His half-siblings. The Greek may not recognize that nuance, but there is no case to be made for Mary's perpetual virginity.
But is is legal for a girl to marry at age 14 in Alaska and North Carolina.
The doctrine of perpetual virginity is a doctrine of devils, so no, it doesn’t have a basis in scripture.And singing from hymnals is NOT extra biblical theology?
Yes, the perpetual virginity of Mary DOES have a basis in Scripture.
Any children of Joseph would be called Jesus' brothers and sisters. Also, the behaviour of Jesus' brothers towards him is consistent with them being older than Him. If Jesus was the eldest then He would have been the absolute head after Joseph passed away.
That's all well and good, but Jewish law never recognized a marriage that was never consummated. If she remained a virgin, then she was not really married.
This notion of some special adoptive marriage, which the Orthodox claim is unsupported by real history.
Actually not THAT long ago.Not now but in the past it was commonplace.
His brothers don't treat Him as such.I think he was.
He could not have been recognised as a Rabbi at younger than 30.I think that's why he didn't start his ministry til he was around 30, rather than 20, or 25.
See above.Its likely that Joseph had died young and Jesus, as the eldest, had to care for the family by carrying on Joseph's trade. Why else would there have been such a long gap, when Jesus knew by the age of 12 who he was?
Not exactly. The concept of betrothed but not yet FULLY married was actually rather common. Betrothal was much more than just being engaged, and the only way out of it was a full divorcement. So legally, they would be married but the marriage not yet consummated.That's all well and good, but Jewish law never recognized a marriage that was never consummated. If she remained a virgin, then she was not really married.
This notion of some special adoptive marriage, which the Orthodox claim is unsupported by real history.
Why ask me when you know what my answer will be? Extrabiblical tradition that did not find a solid place to set her foot.
It's not actually. It's based off the story of the Roman who was baptized, and had his wife and "household" baptized with him. This included his children, his servants, and their children. He was a rich man based on his status, so he would have had many servants with many families within his household all of whom he had baptized.
In Reformed churches it is much more than that, it has to do with understanding who are in the covenant. I've heard that argument you brought up many times before.
The Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus. In my thinking, they were absolutely the biological children of Mary and Joseph.
Did Jesus have brothers and sisters (siblings)?
Oh and the canon ever and always outweighs anything written in non-canon.
Which is another reason I do not believe in reformation doctrineThe covenant is about communion and spiritual regeneration. Why deprive a baby of that?
But the perpetual virginity is extra biblical theology. It is a story that has no basis in fact or Scripture.
Couldn't help but notice your name. Some people don't like chicken noodle soup but I do and I also like other kinds of guk and chigae.Yes - half-brothers and half-sisters: the biological children of Mary and Joseph.
I cannot deprive a baby of being incorporated in the covenant if the entry into the covenant is outside of my power.
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