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Martin Luther King wasn't a christian.

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The topic of this thread has nothing to do with whether or not MLK acted in a way that Jesus would support.

If the topic has nothing to do with weather or not MLK was acting in a way that Jesus would support then the issue of his comments on divinity becomes a pointless religious argument which no longer interests me.
 
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Note-this thread is not in any way, an attempt to criticize MLK as a person. He was a person with a good heart, who helped achieve equal rights. I'm only trying to argue, why I believe he wasn't a Christian. Most people believe that he was a christian, because he was a reverend/minister.

I've done some research about him and his religious beliefs, and despite the common belief that he was a christian, his own quotes imply that he wasn't born again and saved. I will post his quotes here. If anybody disagrees with my argument or thinks I'm taking his quotes out of context, please explain why.



King's "The Influence of Mystery Religions on Christianity":


From King's paper "The Humanity and Divinity of Jesus":


Another quote from that same paper.





I just wasted 2 minutes of my life reading this. Good Lord.
 
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If the topic has nothing to do with weather or not MLK was acting in a way that Jesus would support then the issue of his comments on divinity becomes a pointless religious argument which no longer interests me.

It's not a pointless religious arguement. its what the bible says. the bible says you have to be born again to see the kingdom of god. A lot of Hindus and buddhists act in a way that jesus would support, but it doesn't make them christians.
 
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It's not a pointless religious arguement. its what the bible says. the bible says you have to be born again to see the kingdom of god. A lot of Hindus and buddhists act in a way that jesus would support, but it doesn't make them christians.

Jesus: Well done! You showed love to your neighbor, welcome to Heaven (see Matt 25)

SSam: Ah ah ah Jesus...wait just a minute! I don't think that person is born again so he shouldn't be allowed in!

Jesus: Oh dear, I see. I'm sorry Sam. I must have been mistaken. It's a good thing you're here to correct me at times like this.

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Jesus: Well done! You showed love to your neighbor, welcome to Heaven (see Matt 25)

SSam: Ah ah ah Jesus...wait just a minute! I don't think that person is born again so he shouldn't be allowed in!

Jesus: Oh dear, I see. I'm sorry Sam. I must have been mistaken. It's a good thing you're here to correct me at times like this.

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Read this article.

Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. a Christian?

Here's where MLK directly denied Jesus's divinity.

The first doctrine of our discussion which deals with the divine Sonship of Jesus went through a great process of development. It seems quite evident that the early followers of Jesus in Palestine were well aware of his genuine humanity. Even the synoptic gospels picture Jesus as a victim of human experiences. Such human experiences as growth, learning, prayer, and defeat are not at all uncommon in the life of Jesus. How then did this doctrine of divine Sonship come into being?
 
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You've given me a pretty good reason not to waste my time on those websites.

Here's what I mean;

The first doctrine of our discussion which deals with the divine Sonship of Jesus went through a great process of development. It seems quite evident that the early followers of Jesus in Palestine were well aware of his genuine humanity. Even the synoptic gospels picture Jesus as a victim of human experiences. Such human experiences as growth, learning, prayer, and defeat are not at all uncommon in the life of Jesus. How then did this doctrine of divine Sonship come into being?


Assuming this is a quote from MLK, once again it does not prove that he denied Jesus' divinity. He's asking a question. Asking a question about divinity is not the same thing as denying divinity. Or, are you denying Jesus' humanity?

Anyway, you've done this a few times now, Sam, where you post something from MLK which could be construed as something bad, but which doesn't really prove the bad thing which you want it to.

Based on this recurring pattern of unsubstantiated accusations and those angry websites you linked to, I'm quite sure this is some kind of personal bias you are exercising rather than a genuine attempt to find the truth.

Your comments that this has nothing to do with what Jesus thinks about MLK reinforces that, as well.
 
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You've given me a pretty good reason not to waste my time on those websites.

Here's what I mean;




Assuming this is a quote from MLK, once again it does not prove that he denied Jesus' divinity. He's asking a question. Asking a question about divinity is not the same thing as denying divinity. Or, are you denying Jesus' humanity?

Anyway, you've done this a few times now, Sam, where you post something from MLK which could be construed as something bad, but which doesn't really prove the bad thing which you want it to.

Based on this recurring pattern of unsubstantiated accusations and those angry websites you linked to, I'm quite sure this is some kind of personal bias you are exercising rather than a genuine attempt to find the truth.

Your comments that this has nothing to do with what Jesus thinks about MLK reinforces that, as well.

I don't have a personal bias against MLK. I want to believe that he was a christian who went to heaven. But his own quotes sort of give away the fact that he was unsaved.

King's question implied that he didn't believe that Jesus was divine. Could you imagine your pastor saying, "How then did this doctrine of divine Sonship come into being?" If you truly believe that Jesus was God, you wouldn't ask "how did that doctrine of Jesus becoming God come into being"? You would accept the fact that the doctrine of Jesus being God was in the Bible because it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. King implied that the doctrine of Jesus's divinity was a false doctrine.
 
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I don't have a personal bias against MLK. I want to believe that he was a christian who went to heaven. But his own quotes sort of give away the fact that he was unsaved.

What do you mean by "unsaved"? Are you saying that, in your assessment, you are certain of the 'fact' that MLK is burning in hell on the basis of a "sort of"?

Could you imagine your pastor saying, "How then did this doctrine of divine Sonship come into being?"
Ok, while we are imagining things, try this question; "What was important about the virgin birth"?

What do you imagine me to be "sort of" "implying" with this question? Can you imagine more than one implication? More than two?

You would accept the fact that the doctrine of Jesus being God was in the Bible because it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. King implied that the doctrine of Jesus's divinity was a false doctrine.
Ok, so you've decided that MLK's denial of Jesus' divinity is a result of his rejection of what the Bible says. Can you provide any quotes from MLK where he clearly rejects the authority of the Bible? Can you provide any quotes where he supports the authority of the Bible? Maybe this is a good chance for you to show your impartiality with your quote research.
 
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What do you mean by "unsaved"? Are you saying that, in your assessment, you are certain of the 'fact' that MLK is burning in hell on the basis of a "sort of"?

Ok, while we are imagining things, try this question; "What was important about the virgin birth"?

What do you imagine me to be "sort of" "implying" with this question? Can you imagine more than one implication? More than two?

Ok, so you've decided that MLK's denial of Jesus' divinity is a result of his rejection of what the Bible says. Can you provide any quotes from MLK where he clearly rejects the authority of the Bible? Can you provide any quotes where he supports the authority of the Bible? Maybe this is a good chance for you to show your impartiality with your quote research.

He said that Jesus wasn't divine in an ontological sense, which is a basic doctrine of the Bible. Also, King spoke of biblical doctrines in what I would call "outsiders terminology". While he doesn't explicitly state it here, it's heavily implied and a logical inference that he's rejecting the authority of biblical doctrines.

"...doctrines such as a supernatural plan of salvation, the Trinity, the substitutionary theory of the atonement, and the second coming of Christ are all quite prominant in fundamentalist thinking."

If a Christian says, "the doctrines of God having no son and Muhammad being a prophet are quite prominent in Islamic thinking", they are describing it from an outsider's perspective, which means that they state that they don't believe in those doctrines. If you believe in the doctrines of the Bible, you wouldn't say "Christians believe in those doctrines".
 
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