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Marrying someone you are not attracted to at all

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A friend is not a lover. I don't have any desire to sleep with my friends. I have had female friends. In most cases, I had zero interest in them but as friends. It only ended in heartache for them.

Most, if not all, men do not view relationships from your perspective. That's to be expected, they are men, you are a woman. Women prize different things in relationships. I'd expect you to know that.

I know all about being friends with women. They wanted me. I, in almost every case, had no interest in them and nothing came from it. The end.

To me, and most guys, if you're not sexually attracted to somebody, no amount of being buddies is going to change that. If she wants to be my buddy, that's cool. I am busy, but we can hang out. But that's as far as it will ever go, most likely. I don't wake up one day then find I'm suddenly attracted to a woman when I never was previously.

I also find it odd how you seem to be backpedaling a bit. First you seemed to indicate it was not "God's will" for me to be with anyone I liked then, you said, no, no, that's not it. Then you went back to your original position of saying that being friends should be my focus and looks should not matter. Which is it?

I already know the standard Christian position is that you date someone out of friendship, not passion or attraction. Why don't we just concede that and move on?

Wow. Okay. I am fully convinced that you either do not read or do not understand my posts. I have been saying everything others have been saying and you are misinterpreting and misrepresenting ALL OF IT. I am simply left to the idea that you certainly are a defeated Christian with absolutely no interest in learning how to be a victorious Christian. Carry on with your pity party. I am taking my ball and going home. I will leave you with this. You will never find a godly woman with your attitude.
 
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Wow. Okay. I am fully convinced that you either do not read or do not understand my posts. I have been saying everything others have been saying and you are misinterpreting and misrepresenting ALL OF IT. I am simply left to the idea that you certainly are a defeated Christian with absolutely no interest in learning how to be a victorious Christian. Carry on with your pity party. I am taking my ball and going home. I will leave you with this. You will never find a godly woman with your attitude.

I am interested in getting what I want, a good spouse in a good marriage with someone I am attracted to. Since the latter part is unattainable, then I will continue to be upset and downtrodden. I am hurting and unhappy. Can anyone blame me for that?

I'm not interested in finding a godly (but ugly) woman who can be my video game partner and chum. I have friends for that. Your ideas are insane and only in a religious circle would anyone take them seriously.

I have not met one human in person that thinks as you do. "Get married to a friend you have zero interest in sexually and hope and pray one day you get turned on by her." Really. Really??? That is insane. No worldly person is that out-there that they would start advising that!
 
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Wow. Okay. I am fully convinced that you either do not read or do not understand my posts. I have been saying everything others have been saying and you are misinterpreting and misrepresenting ALL OF IT. I am simply left to the idea that you certainly are a defeated Christian with absolutely no interest in learning how to be a victorious Christian. Carry on with your pity party. I am taking my ball and going home. I will leave you with this. You will never find a godly woman with your attitude.

ValleyGal, I know your intentions are good, but this guy is a troll. He takes whatever anyone says and twists it just to get a reaction. He is not sincere. Don't feel bad for him. He's not worth wasting your time on.

God bless!
 
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ValleyGal, I know your intentions are good, but this guy is a troll. He takes whatever anyone says and twists it just to get a reaction. He is not sincere. Don't feel bad for him. He's not worth wasting your time on.

God bless!

God does not bless liars or slanderers.

I am completely serious. I don't have time to waste playing games, grow up.

You want further proof of her teaching. Have a look:

""Whether those gals at church 'want me' or not, they seem like great people to simply get to know. I won't make it about 'finding a spouse' but I will make it about being a good friend to my sisters in Christ."

There are reasons for this. First, women are put off by someone who is obviously just searching for a spouse and would make no other contact if not for a chance to get a ring on her finger. Women want to know there is more to your contact. They want to feel [special], not attractive.

Second, let's look at the relationship between Christ and the church. Ephesians 5 says men are to love their wives like Jesus does the church. How is that? It starts with his decision to put her needs ahead of his own. In all her imperfection (ugliness), he finds her worth his time and his suffering. So in her sin, Jesus came and lived among us to prepare a way to reconcile with the Father. He initiated this love relationship by pursuing her, by sacrificing for her.

Now let's translate that into the marriage relationship. It is up to the husband (man) to initiate and pursue a woman. Why? Not because he finds her sexy and attractive, but because he has decided in his heart to love her, honour her, and nurture her spiritual walk with the Lord. Jesus' intent is pure love (not eros). That is how the love relationship begins. It does not begin with attraction. It begins with love. And as love for someone grows, attraction may or may not happen. If it does, there is nothing better than expressing that attraction with the one you love - your best friend. "

This is pretty evident that this is a common church teaching. I don't understand it, hence my objections. Now kindly step off, if you are only going to lie about me.
 
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I am interested in getting what I want, a good spouse in a good marriage with someone I am attracted to. Since the latter part is unattainable, then I will continue to be upset and downtrodden. I am hurting and unhappy. Can anyone blame me for that?

You may be misunderstanding your fellow posters' position.

Why can't you find a woman you are attracted to? I don't know what you look like, but there are about 3.5 billion women in the world. If you consider yourself unattractive, you might find a woman who does find you attractive, or a woman for whom looks don't matter much who is more concerned with personality and character. And maybe you are selling yourself short.

Every once in a while you see some unattractive man with a younger, prettier wife. Sometimes the man is successful and accomplished. Maybe the pretty young wife is a gold-digger. Or else we could say maybe she has a normal interest in stability. Really bad gold-diggers marry for money but aren't committed to the marriage. Women who marry men of means for security, but love and commit to the man... if they are gold diggers, they may be of a less dangerous variety.

Some women like men who are successful and accomplished, not just because of the money, but because they like men who have done great things. I remember meeting a retired language scholar. I met his wife. She either just looked really young, or she was at least 20 years younger than he was. I didn't ask. She commented that her husband 'was an amazing man' with a hint of admiration. There are women who are attracted to poets and musicians who are talented but not rich.

If you want to be attractive to women, and you don't have any confidence in your looks, you can try to improve other areas of your life that some women might be attracted to-- diligence, character, skills. (Not sure about bow hunting skills, but you could try that.:) ) You might also be selling yourself short when it comes to your looks. Maybe you have a lower opinion of yourself that others.

A friend of mine was telling me about a kind of stocky female coworker of his. One of the people they did business with seemed to be attractive to her. But she didn't like a model at all. He was telling me that men who had heftier mothers tended to marry heftier women. It was their idea of femininity. He'd read that in a psychology magazine. Men usually marry women who are like their mothers. If you are fat and stocky, maybe some woman out there you would find attractive had a fat stocky daddy. If you have a big nose, maybe you'll find someone whose daddy had a big nose who likes big noses.

Something else to consider is different characteristics are considered to be attractive in different parts of the world. I spent about 9 years in Indonesia. I noticed the movie and TV stars there are usually good-looking, but it seemed like a lot of guys went for a 'rounder' type of girl than a lot of people in the US do. Usually those weren't the TV stars, but the dangdut music scene seemed to have a lot more girls that were like that. They also like 'protruding noses'. I've got a big nose, but it was considered an attractive trait there. In that country, being a westerner gets you a point or two on attractiveness on a scale of 1 out of 10 with a woman who is attracted to western men. Lots of western men in movies are portrayed as alpha males and heroes in the movies. That an colonization are probably some of the reasons for it. Westerners and many other foreigners are perceived as being rich and successful, from more developed countries. My wife was reasonably particular when it came to choosing a husband. She wanted someone who loved the Lord, and she didn't insist on marrying a western man, but I think that was a plus for her as far as attractiveness goes.

I've got a friend whose short, thin, and pale. When he was young and single, he said he went to Greece, and the Greek girls wouldn't give him the time of day when comparing him to olive-skinned good-looking Greek men. He figured he wasn't considered attractive there. But when he went to Poland, for some reason, he could tell that a lot of the young women there seemed to be attracted to him.

So my point is if you aren't attractive where you live, you might be a little more attractive somewhere else in the world. It's something to think about if you want to travel a bit in your search for a wife or do some online dating.

And in some cultures, being attracted to the person is not a criteria society emphasizes for marriage. In some cultures, if the man is a decent, honorable man and is able and willing to take care of the wife, he's considered a valuable candidate for marriage. Being healthy is a big deal in some countries, too. We live in a culture that tells us being attracted to someone physically is extremely important when it comes to marrying that person or physical intimacy. Not all cultures throughout time have emphasized this to the same degree. Also, we live in a society where we see a lot of photography, and photoshopped pictures that the bulges off of even thin young models, and portray this really extreme standard of beauty that most women cannot live up to.

If you married a woman for whom looks was not a major criteria in marrying you, you'd also have to ask yourself how important it is that your wife be attracted to you.

I'm not interested in finding a godly (but ugly) woman who can be my video game partner and chum. I have friends for that. y.

I don't see anyone promoting that idea, but just hypothetically, doesn't testosterone and turned-off lights compensate a little for attractiveness? Unless a man finds his wife absolutely physically repulsive, isn't there still an opportunity there? I've never done that. I find my wife attractive.
 
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Of course you shouldn't marry someone you are unwilling to sleep with. That would be cruel to her. But if you marry someone simply because you find them attractive, you will soon learn that even those mega attractive people have bad breath in the morning, they go to the toilet and sometimes have dirty toenails. = You can't marry simply because you find someone attractive. There should be more to it.
But again, don't marry someone who is just a friend. That probably wouldn't end up too well.
IMO there should be some attraction, but that is not the only thing necessary.
(Then there are other cultures with arranged marriages and it seems to work for them, but I don't know how happy they are.)
 
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Of course you shouldn't marry someone you are unwilling to sleep with. That would be cruel to her. But if you marry someone simply because you find them attractive, you will soon learn that even those mega attractive people have bad breath in the morning, they go to the toilet and sometimes have dirty toenails. = You can't marry simply because you find someone attractive. There should be more to it.
I know its why I love being married to a filipino. On the very first day of the honeymoon she had no problem using the toilet in front of me, having morning breath...etc. If you marry for the wrong reasons those things will effect you. Oh I mentioned filipino because they aren't as insecure about using the bathroom in front of their spouse. Alot of them as it is do things like that in front of their family. So to them its normal.

Marriage is one of the biggest things you will do in your life. Marry for the wrong reason, ignore red flags...etc can end up making it the biggest regret in your life. Be careful.
 
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You should marry somebody you're attracted to, with the understanding that attraction isn't all that it takes to build a happy, committed relationship. That there will be times where the frequency of sex increases and decreases, you'll find your spouse more attractive or less attractive, and that the bond you're thriving on isn't so much one of the superficiality of being attracted to them, but the love of them as a person, outside of what makes them "attractive."

I'm attracted to my husband about 97% of the time... The 3% accounts for the times where nobody would be or feel attractive... Being sick, that sort of thing. I'd say quite fairly the reverse is true, that he finds me attractive 97% of the time. I'm under no illusion that I wasn't attractive when I was, for example, in labor, when I got food poisoning (3 times), when he's had a hellish week at work and I've been so wrapped up in my work and dealing with our handful toddler that I'm still wearing the same yoga pants and shirt from the day before, haven't had a shower in 3 days, and have frizzy, messy ponytail hair while saying as soon as he walks through the door that I'm at my wits end and need a break. This morning I woke up after 3 hours of sleep because I was working while he was in bed. I'm under no illusions, I wasn't attractive by looks or personality. If he'd seen me in public like he sees me privately sometimes, as a total stranger he'd have said "she's a hot mess" and kept right on walking.

Yet, we still love each other. We have the call to be compassionate, love, nurture each other. Because love is deeper then attraction. It's dumb to get married to somebody you're never attracted to, but it's equally dumb to hold out for this idea that you'll be 100% attracted 100% of the time to the person you're with.
 
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I married a woman I am attracted and she happens to be a very godly woman(most of the time we all are flawed). I was attracted to her because physically she was my type dark skinned, slim and slender but curvy, slanted eyes, high cheek bones, natural long hair. As I got to know her I became attracted to her personality strong willed, loyal, opinionated, intelligent, goal oriented, articulate, hard working, spiritual, prayer warrior, insightful...I could go on forever. I feel in love with who she was I like how she looks very much so. Her looks are overshadowed by her great personality which is overshadowed by her faith.

I think what people are saying is that you have every right to marry someone you are attracted to. But if the only reason your marrying them is because you are attracted to someone then that is wrong. I don't think thaat is what you are saying.

I think you are saying you don't want to settle for a great woman but she doesn't have great looks.......If that's how you feel then don't marry someone that doesn't look good. GO out there and find an attractive woman and marry her. Marry a woman that you are attracted to but marry a woman that you love her personality as well.
 
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Is it a good idea or a bad idea to marry someone you have zero attraction toward? I hear a lot of Christians talk about how it is unimportant to be attracted to your spouse, so let's hear it.

How do you stay married to someone you have no sexual interest in and not fall into any type of sexual sin? I'd love to hear from those who deal with this sort of thing, especially men. How do you guys deal with not being attracted to your wife? How does it strain your sex life? How did you manage, if at all, to overcome this hurdle in your marriage?

I think about my life and think I'd rather be alone than with someone I find repulsive physically or sexually. Yet I hear so many believers preach that this is the way I should go. I am tempted enough as is, without adding in a sexless, passionless marriage. But what do I know?

So let's hear it.



???? So..what would ever be lasting here then? I've never really examined this nor could I live with someone I was unattracted to. ?? :confused:
 
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I should say this though- lets say an accident or illness takes their beauty,their looks away. THAT is different in the respect you knew them beforehand and know this is a life changing situation. You do take vows. For better or worse.
 
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It's a shame I missed this post when it was relevant.

I'd have told him he need not worry about falling into sexual sin if he married an unattractive woman. God made sure he'd remain faithful by making him unattractive, so nobody else would go for him.
 
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Nonsense. Attraction is very important, especially if the couple is to really enjoy their time together, which is good for the marriage. Read the Song of Solomon. Lots of chemistry there and anticipation, and, in marriage good powerful intense sexual energy. Don't listen to prudes. They're hung up. Within God's plan, it would be ideal to marry someone you are loopy over, and love them all your life.
 
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You could go for extreme plastic surgery and I dont just mean a nose job or something but complete reconstruction of your face. There was a woman that did it and got married to a good looking guy and then had super ugly kids and the husband sued her so you might want to find a woman who does not want kids but if your a hunk you will have more options for those attractive women that dont want kids.

However I recall the plastic surgery she had was over 100k so its on another level than some stripper saving 10k for a boob job but it might be worth it. I am average myself and I have barely been able to find women I am just barely attracted too. If I were a half a point lower I would be in your shoes.

I could come up with 100k if I really needed too but getting major surgery like that scares the bezeus out of me but if your not getting any action now it would be worth the risk.

It would be an interesting social experement to get MTV or some one else to do a hidden camera thing where you go into a meat market and watch the women look at you with contempt (and most seasoned guys know the look) and then go back after the surgery and perhaps putting on some muscle mass. I would say these days women are more superficial than men.

Even before feminism you had to have alot of money as a fugly man to land a good looking woman, so now instead of spending money on a woman you spend the money on a chiseled jaw, fix your teeth etc. When you get 100k in surgery done you have to get a new drivers licence, passport etc im sure they give you some paper work becuase you will litterally look completely different.

Also the other up side as with any investment in yourself is it cant be taken away, such as training and education. So its a thought.

God does not bless liars or slanderers.

I am completely serious. I don't have time to waste playing games, grow up.

You want further proof of her teaching. Have a look:

""Whether those gals at church 'want me' or not, they seem like great people to simply get to know. I won't make it about 'finding a spouse' but I will make it about being a good friend to my sisters in Christ."

There are reasons for this. First, women are put off by someone who is obviously just searching for a spouse and would make no other contact if not for a chance to get a ring on her finger. Women want to know there is more to your contact. They want to feel [special], not attractive.

Second, let's look at the relationship between Christ and the church. Ephesians 5 says men are to love their wives like Jesus does the church. How is that? It starts with his decision to put her needs ahead of his own. In all her imperfection (ugliness), he finds her worth his time and his suffering. So in her sin, Jesus came and lived among us to prepare a way to reconcile with the Father. He initiated this love relationship by pursuing her, by sacrificing for her.

Now let's translate that into the marriage relationship. It is up to the husband (man) to initiate and pursue a woman. Why? Not because he finds her sexy and attractive, but because he has decided in his heart to love her, honour her, and nurture her spiritual walk with the Lord. Jesus' intent is pure love (not eros). That is how the love relationship begins. It does not begin with attraction. It begins with love. And as love for someone grows, attraction may or may not happen. If it does, there is nothing better than expressing that attraction with the one you love - your best friend. "

This is pretty evident that this is a common church teaching. I don't understand it, hence my objections. Now kindly step off, if you are only going to lie about me.
 
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Hmmm This thread reminds me of a song sung by Harry Belafonte from WAYYYYYY BACK:

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you
 
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I was going to read the comments first but changed my mind.

From my perspective both my husband and myself are attractive. I dont always feel like I am attractive but none the less it is what it is.

But... Big but here... I have dated very unattractive people before(2). And about 7 out of 10 times these people were slightly below average in attraction. (I didn't sleaze around or anything, quite the opposite actually.. Most of these guys broke up with me because I was too shy to even kiss them lol)

I'm not attracted to appearance really. I can appreciate it but I become interested by mental stimuli not physical. And most of the people I dated before my husband were rather intelligent but as I said, lacked in the appearance department. It did not bother me.

But when I met my husband who excelled in the intelligence department, his above average looks were a nice addition. But certainly not at all why I chose him.

Here is something to consider... Even the most attractive people have bad hair days. Sure bad hair wont make you look terrible but I have yet to meet one person who looked stunning every moment of every day. Life beats us down sometimes. And if my husband rejected me every time I was having a bad day I would be crushed. I can tell though, say I have a bad breakout on my face and haven't had a chance to do my makeup he redirects his attention to another part of me that he finds attractive.

Intimacy is way more than appearance. When it is intimacy and not straight sex, appearance is only a small portion. Passion is not directly related to attraction.
 
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The church I attended in college insisted that you should NEVER marry anyone you were physically attracted to. (it was too much a thing of the flesh)

In fact the elders broke up a few engagements for that very reason, and kicked people out of the congregation for being attracted to someone there.
 
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