Marriage

[Mountainmanbob]

Quite a few believers have a different interpretation so it isn't as clear as you make it out to be.

Christians who approve of gay marriage???

Actually, that would be very few.

My guess is 5%.

And apparently this 5% call themselves Christian but, do not abide by the Bible. God's Word spoken to us. Maybe most of this 5% are not really Christians? Jesus said, if you love me you will keep the Commandments.

M-Bob

 

[Skreeper]

Actually, that would be very few.

My guess is 5%.

And apparently this 5% call themselves Christian but, do not abide by the Bible. God's Word spoken to us. Maybe most of this 5% are not really Christians? Jesus said, if you love me you will keep the Commandments.

M-Bob

I don't see you running around stoning unbelievers and homosexuals. Who's not keeping the commandments, eh?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I don't see you running around stoning unbelievers and homosexuals. Who's not keeping the commandments, eh?

More Kake News.

Probably attended 15 to 20 different churches in my life -- not one supported gay marriage no not one.



M-Bob

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I don't see you running around stoning unbelievers and homosexuals. Who's not keeping the commandments, eh?

How do you know what I do?
You don't know me and you don't see me.
You have not a clue of what I do?
Or who I'm?

M-Bob

 

[Skreeper]

More Kake News.

Probably attended 15 to 20 different churches in my life -- not one supported gay marriage no not one.



M-Bob

Come to Germany and you won't find many Christians who are against gay marriage or homosexuality in general.

Here people focus more on the "God of Love" aspect rather than the "God of punishment" flavor.

 

[Inkfingers]

Come to Germany and you won't find many Christians who are against gay marriage or homosexuality in general.

Here people focus more on the "God of Love" aspect rather than the "God of punishment" flavor.

You could have stopped the sentence there.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Many churches are sliding away these days.
M-Bob

 

[Skreeper]

You could have stopped the sentence there.

60% of the population here identifies as Christian. You can claim that they are not "true" Christians but that would be fallacious.

 

[Inkfingers]

60% of the population here identifies as Christian. You can claim that they are not "true" Christians but that would be fallacious.

Many are called but few are chosen. Strait is the gate and narrow the way and few there are who find it.

What they identify as being, whether Christian, Communist, or Cabbage, means nothing.

 

[Skreeper]

Many are called but few are chosen. Strait is the gate and narrow the way and few there are who find it.

And I guess you of course are one of the few?

 

[Inkfingers]

And I guess you of course are one of the few?

That's for God to decide, but I'm certainly not one of the many denying Romans 1:26-27

 

[Mountainmanbob]

60% of the population here identifies as Christian. You can claim that they are not "true" Christians but that would be fallacious.

Okay well we can take you at your word at that. Below is some information regarding churches in Germany and I can assure you none of those mainstream churches support gay marriage. I attend a Reformed Church they say no way.

"Religion in Germany – Christianity. About 65% to 70% of the population are followers of the Christian religion in Germany. They are more or less evenly split between the mainstream denominations of Lutheran-Protestantism and Calvinism united in the EKD (Evangelical Church in Germany) and the Roman Catholic Church."

M-Bob

 

[Skreeper]

That's for God to decide, but I'm certainly not one of the many denying Romans 1:26-27

I wouldn't call it denying. They simply have a different interpretation of scripture than you.

And I certainly prefer the flavor of Christianity we have here over the extremist position many hold in the US.

 

[Inkfingers]

I wouldn't call it denying. They simply have a different interpretation of scripture than you.

Yup, just like flat-earthers have a different interpretation of reality.

 

[Skreeper]

Okay well we can take you at your word at that. Below is some information regarding churches in Germany and I can assure you none of those mainstream churches support gay marriage. I attend a Reformed Church they say no way.

"Religion in Germany – Christianity. About 65% to 70% of the population are followers of the Christian religion in Germany. They are more or less evenly split between the mainstream denominations of Lutheran-Protestantism and Calvinism united in the EKD (Evangelical Church in Germany) and the Roman Catholic Church."

M-Bob

I can only talk about the believers I know and what our local pastor says. And he accepts gay people and doesn't call us abomination every 5 seconds.

 

[Skreeper]

Yup, just like flat-earthers have a different interpretation of reality.

Reality isn't ambiguous, unlike your holy book...

If the Bible was as straight forward as you make it out to be, there wouldn't be thousands of different denominations.

 

[Inkfingers]

Reality isn't ambiguous, unlike your holy book...

There's nothing ambiguous in the Romans passage I quoted, although those who want to twist words may claim otherwise.

If the Bible was as straight forward as you make it out to be, there wouldn't be thousands of different denominations.

Why? Lying is not exactly uncommon is it.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

And I certainly prefer the flavor of Christianity we have here over the extremist position many hold in the US.

So apparently you've drifted away from the church that your German forefathers believed in?

Because they followed the Bible and did not believe in gay marriage. Never would have even thought about it actually.

M-Bob

 

[DogmaHunter]

Should gay/lesbian marriage be preformed by the church

Honestly, I don't actually care. As far as I am concerned, churches are private institutions - not public ones.

Furthermore, a church marriage isn't exactly official (over here).
You're not "married" (government wise) unless you marry at city hall.

I've attended quite a few marriages in my family, many of which had a church wedding. ALL of them also had a city hall wedding. And at city hall, that's the real marriage.

You can do just the city hall thing and be married.
But you can't do just the church thing and be married (as far as the state is concerned).

In the eyes of the government, the church wedding simply doesn't count.
And I am completely pro-gay wedding. But state-wise.

I sure think the church rules concerning this are ridiculous and that is my honest opinion.
But hey.... they have a right to hold on to ridiculous bronze age rules. They don't "owe" people anything in that respect imo. It's not like they break laws by only wanting to do hetero weddings. At least, that's how I see it.

So no, I don't think churches should be forced to do this.
If gay people want to get married, they can. At city hall. It is, in the end and as stated above, the only one that really matters anyway.

 

[DogmaHunter]

yes but we arent talking about a "typical marriage" gays can also be christians and with that they would like to be acknowledged as a couple by the church which is why i asked this question

I actually know a gay couple, good friends of ours, who wanted to have a big church wedding. They didn't find a church that wanted to do it.

I honestly and respectfully asked them: "why on earth would you want to get married in a place that literally incorporates homophobia?"

There answer was that they didn't care about the "church" or "religious" component. They just cared about the "majesty" of a church. The tall cealings, the room, the almost magical / fairy tale atmosphere.

They are big Disney fans, so they like everything that is like big, colorful, majestic, etc.

So we helped them out and started searching.
We finally found a decommissioned church that could be used for parties, concerts, etc.
So we rented the place out with a bunch of people and gave them the majestic wedding they wanted


In any case, the question I asked, would be the question I would ask all gay christian couples. Why would you want to celebrate your bond in a place that literally says that your relationship is an "abomination"?