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Really? Hmm. They must have some other theory in your country that's quite different from all that I've been hearing from Europe and the West.

ToE is universally accepted to have some core aspects
1. inheritance
2. modification (i.e. some infrequent random mistakes)
3. selection (this process ensures the good mistakes survive and thrive and the bad mistakes are filtered out of the gene pool)
4. changes to environment (if the environment stayed the same then creatures wouldn't evolve to suit their environment.
5. speciation (if we remained reproductively compatible then gene pools would continue mixing and would be hard to settle on a particular form)

This is very basic stuff. The fact that you focus on item 2 and don't appear to recognise the other crucial factors show me you are going down the route of dishonest discourse. Meaning that conversation with you on this topic will not be meaningful.

Which ones, and how is that proven? There are those who think that sexual orientation is genetic, and yet they still have not been able to prove that. The danger of assuming genetic traits beyond the scope of reality is that we will one day be told that pedophilia is a genetic trait, and therefore pedophellic perpetrators are therefore subject to protections against prosecution for what they do with children.

I'm not going to go down this path with you on this forum. They are very strict here on what can be discussed.

Yeah, and where did those come from? How did those proteins become arranged in such complex manners? If not from an intelligence, and if not from chaos, then from where? You keep avoiding that.

From the process of evolution. There is vast amounts of scientific evidence for this.

Hmm. Too bad. Have you considered suicide to end that pain?

Have you considered civil discourse as an approach to someone who is try hard to be polite and show you respect?

So, in the interim, you have chosen atheism as your framework, thus believing that there's some sort of massively powerful force out there in nature that can and does arrange matter into levels of complexity

You are conflating many things here.
1. There is no such thing as atheism.
An atheist is merely an individual who does not hold a belief in any of the gods.
An atheist does not have to believe in the big bang or ToE.

2. the fundamental forces proven to exist in nature are
- electromagnetic
- gravity
- strong nuclear
- weak nuclear
These are autonomous forces, they act without intent.

that gave to you the vision through your eyes

Eyes developed through the process of evolution, so did ears and taste buds.

It is considering the improbability for evolutionary processes that lend greater and greater tangibility to the existence of God.

Even if EoT where proven untrue it does not lead towards evidence for the gods.
Using a god as a fallback is lazy. You would need to find positive proof for gods rather than say it can't have been X therefore god.

Watch a nature show with vivid colors of humming birds hovering in the air to lick up nectar from flowers, and many other amazing nature images, and then tell yourself that it all had to have come about by randomness.

Yes, nature is amazing, it is great that we can both appreciate that.
And we also both agree that it didn't come about through randomness, so we also have that in common which is great too.

 

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This thread is closed. It has greatly strayed from the OP, and outside the guidelines for this forum. This is not apologetics or the evolution/creation area. ​