Mark of the Beast

[Jimlarmore]

I think generally those who really have a big problem with the ten commandment law of God are those who feel condemned by them because of their actions/behaviors.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[reddogs]

Jim,
I believe we need to be careful to make a distinction. It is not, nor has it ever been the official or unofficial teaching of the Seventh-day Adventist Church that Sundaykeeping is the mark of the beast.

Our teaching is that the mark of the beast is the persecution of Sabbath-keepers by Sunday-keepers. EGW and others have said that this will take the form of a national Sunday law in the United States. I'm sure of it. Already, without any Sunday law, it is more difficult to compete in business, and impossible to gain employment in certain trades unless you break the Sabbath. Our buying and selling are already curtailed.

But you know very well that if it comes down to actual persecution by Sunday-keepers of Sabbath-keepers, the day of worship is not really what is in question. In fact, when the Pharisees persecuted Jesus about the Sabbath, the day of worship or how to keep it holy was only a pretext for a bigger issue.

The issue at stake in the mark of the beast is, "Who is in charge? Who has authority on earth to make moral law? The bottom line is, who are we loyal to, God or man?

The Greek word for mark in Revelation 14 is "charagma," an etching, or stamp, but Strong's dictionary says it is like a badge of servitude. One who bears the mark of the beast is in some way serving the beast, either by obedience to the beast, or by standing for the principles or ideology of the beast. Loyalty.

That people keep one day of the week or another is important only as it indicates where their loyalties are. That many Christians worship on Sunday doesn't mean that they are intentionally serving the beast or trying to defy God. To their minds, they are honoring the day of Christ's resurrection. But when that time comes, and people are moved to actually boycott and bankrupt, or later kill others over a day of worship, it is clear that they are serving something other than Jesus Christ. That is the point of the mark of the beast- not a day.

At the end I think those that serve Christ and follow him will be shown clearly, shining a light on those who follow Satan and his pagan day of sun worship and Baal.....

 

[sentipente]

I think generally those who really have a big problem with the ten commandment law of God are those who feel condemned by them because of their actions/behaviors.

Don't you find it strange that you and them both are suffering the same hell on earth?

 

[Jimlarmore]

Don't you find it strange that you and them both are suffering the same hell on earth?

I don't think we do. I think anyone who stays focused on the savior will be set free and live a life of peace that is beyond understanding. It's only when we "decide" to go our way that things get bad. Christ is sufficient for all who will come.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[sentipente]

I don't think we do. I think anyone who stays focused on the savior will be set free and live a life of peace that is beyond understanding. It's only when we "decide" to go our way that things get bad. Christ is sufficient for all who will come.

So you think that you life here is better than theirs simply because you "believe" that one day you will live a life of peace. Did I read you correctly?

 

[Jimlarmore]

So you think that you life here is better than theirs simply because you "believe" that one day you will live a life of peace. Did I read you correctly?

I can't presume to live a better or worse life than anyone. What I am saying is that according to the Bible we can take part in the divine nature "now in this temporal life" and live a life of indescribable peace now. This is why the Lord says His burden is light and His yoke not hard to pull so to speak. If someone is struggling with a conviction from the Holy Spirit they will not be living a life of peace at all.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[reddogs]

I can't presume to live a better or worse life than anyone. What I am saying is that according to the Bible we can take part in the divine nature "now in this temporal life" and live a life of indescribable peace now. This is why the Lord says His burden is light and His yoke not hard to pull so to speak. If someone is struggling with a conviction from the Holy Spirit they will not be living a life of peace at all.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

True..

 

[stinsonmarri]

This whole subject started with the question what is the mark of the beast? However, this is the most misunderstood subject which include what the pioneer once thought. In every great period of time since the fall of Adam man thought YAHSHUA would come during their time. After the great dissapointment the pioneers of the church still fell that HE was coming very soon. However, EGW learned later on that she was mistaken and wrote a book especially for the ministers and gospel workers. The minister to inform the souls already in the church and the gospel worker who bring others in. Yet, most do not read this book and the SDA church has left her first love. We do not understand the beast so how can we understand his mark? Also everyone of us do not listen the voice of YAHSHUA what is going to happen in the last days. HE said like the days of Noah and Sodom and Gommorah.

We also felt to understand Daniel when YAHSHUA again is speaking:

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. ​

YAHSHUA talks about the beast have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people then everything will be completed. Now what does this mean? Most think that the beast is the Papacy and he is the false MESSIAH. Well the Papacy and the beast are two different foes. So if that is correct then you have to know how this take place.

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. Dan 7:7, 20 ​

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him? And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev 13:2-4, 16, 17 ​

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, Rev 17:10, 11 ​

Neither shall he regard the mighty ones of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any mighty one: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the mighty one of forces: and a mighty one whom his father's knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the Glorious Holy Mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Dan 11:37, 38, 45

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters: And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Rev 17:1, 16 ​

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, Rev 13:13 ​

You must understand who the beast is. The original symbols of the four beast in Daniel had to do with religion of each of this three Empires. Babylon, Persia, Greece were three specific Empire and not Rome.

The reason Rome is not mention here is because Rome comes up in Daniel 8:9. Rome come out of Greece and we historians call them Greco-Rome. The reason they copy cat what the Greece did and adopted their belief along with the Persians and the Babylonian beliefs. The fourth beast is simply all of the three beast pagan religions incorporated within him. It is a system of pagan religions against ELOHIM of Heaven.

Inside this combine system comes up a man who all knows it is the Papacy. The Papacy through time becomes an Empire called the Roman Catholic Empire. The fourth beast in Daniel is the same beast in Revelation and was a good faithful Catholic. But something will happen to change him! When the Catholic Church lost her Vassal states and her political powers she was almost crush! This was the head that was wounded and it almost destroyed the beast. The beast revitalize and gain power with Satan the dragon. He leaves the Catholic Church and has nothing to do with her fake religion and he also stop believing in ELOHIM as well. Now Satan got him and takes him yes take him where his kingdom is and it is not on earth folks. This earth has, and alway will belong to the CREATORS. Satan tells a sad story to this man now who is identified that he was kicked out of his home by a cruel tyrant YAHWEH. He convince this man that he will give him power and he will be a god on the earth and Satan wil the god force over the universe. Only if the beast can take the earth, plus he is allowed to send all of his angels. The beast is not interested in the Sabbath or Sunday. He wants to be a deity and have people worship him. His first goal is to get rid of the Papacy who has become is enemy and he with the aid of the false prophet set this up. Only those who have his mark or tatoo on their hands or forehead that bears his name! These will be able to buy and sell. The Papacy does not have this mark because they are enemies. The false prophet will bring down the most power nuclear bomb to destroy the Papacy and many Jews, and Protestants who are in symbolical Babylon-Jerusalem. The beast/man will sit in the Temple where it was originally built and not the Dome of the Rock. Are you kidding me! They will stand in the MOST HOLY PLACE and this will bring on the wrath of the both the LAMB and YAHWEH. He will build a place by the Holy mountain!
Once he have destroyed the Papacy and Jerusalem he will attempt to go after the true people of ELOHIM. He will fail because YAHSHAU will fight our battle.

People read your Bible, pray for understanding, and know what symbols are referring to.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

People read your Bible, pray for understanding, and know what symbols are referring to.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

Thats a very good idea; but you have not used one Bible verse to explain in your above post what the symbols from your quotes in Daniel and Revelation actually do mean; and to explain why we should believe what you are saying here.

 

[mrasell]

Instead of making one line put downs of what has been said why not give us your version of what the Mark of the Beast is?

God Bless
Jim Larmore

You might be interested in my book, "the mark of the beast and the seal of God". Those who receive the mark of the beast have characters like the beast. Those who receive the seal of God have characters like the Lamb.

However, in Ex. 31:13, God says that the Sabbath is a sign, that He is the one who sanctifies them. Thus it is a pledge that those who truly keep it will be made holy by God. The Sabbath points clearly to Jesus, who alone can justify and sanctify and recreate us in the image of God.

Those who reject the Sabbath truth in the end time cannot be sanctified because they reject God's pledge, and badge of ownership and are breaking His law. So their characters become beast like, they persecute and blaspheme.

Marc Rasell

 

[Castaway57]

However, in Ex. 31:13, God says that the Sabbath is a sign, that He is the one who sanctifies them. Thus it is a pledge that those who truly keep it will be made holy by God.
Marc Rasell

The Bible is clear that we will never "be made holy" by Sabbath-keeping, or by any other of the nine commandments.

Eph_2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

The Sabbath, in the end times, will be a sign of something, but keeping it doesnt ever save us.

 

[Stryder06]

The Bible is clear that we will never "be made holy" by Sabbath-keeping, or by any other of the nine commandments.
The Sabbath, in the end times, will be a sign of something, but keeping it doesnt ever save us.

Keeping the law in and of itself will not save us. It is the power of God that saves us. God has deemed however that His children keep His law, and He empowers them to do this the the working of the Spirit.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Thats a very good idea; but you have not used one Bible verse to explain in your above post what the symbols from your quotes in Daniel and Revelation actually do mean; and to explain why we should believe what you are saying here.

Castaway

You know it is there but you do not want to except it. Beast of prey have always even to this day a symbolic representive of a state goverment. Beasts also represent what men worship:

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible ELOHIM into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1:23 ​

Here in Daniel are four beast that were not normal creations of ELOHIM. The fourth beast included all of the features of the three beasts before it. This bible is about men leaving ELOHIM and worshiping false religions. However, all these religions have one common thread Satan who is also dipicted as a beast-the dragon. It was the Papacy that united pagans religions under one umbrella deceiving the western belief system that this religon is the true Hebrew religion given by YAHWEH. It is not and one of his strongest champions will find out that his church has been lying. Because of the Papacy he will turn not only from his church but from who and what his church believed in ELOHIM. Satan has been plotting all along, he wants the whole world to hate the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT. He wants to be lifted up and not THEM! No where in the Bible does it state that the mark of the beast is a day it is a tatoo of this man and his name. Satan will convince this man that ELOHIM tricked and used him, Satan just like the Pope has trick the Christian world. This man will see this vast army of angels that is controlled by Satan who will give him control over them to take the world. He returns to earth with these mighty angels who the majorty of them have been lock down whereever YAHWEH allowed them to live. Wake up! All of Satan angels was not allowed to come here this earth that was created perfect. Satan and his angels fail from grace before this earth was made. YAHWEH will release them and read what they are going to do reign havoc on man and this earth. The bible clearly tells them not to harm the tree or the grass symbolic of those who are sealed but to hurt the wicked for five literal months.

Many of you all live within a traditional box of unfounded doctrines. Think this world was perfect, Satan was only allowed at one tree of good and evil. So where do you think all these mighty angels were? The serpent was a dragon, he could fly but was curse. Why? He had intellect but he could not speak like man. The Bible said he was wise, but yet he was trick by Satan to believe if he ate of the forbidden fruit he could talk-TRICKED! Man will be trick by an image thinking it can speak, that will be Satan. Castaway, I read and study and most of all pray for truth. I do not call people out of their names, act rude, write mean and evil things to and about others. I cannot make anyone believe the truth, it is a choice. The facts and truth of the Bible is there but as this book clearly states:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Mat 7:13 ​

You must choose whom you will serve as for me I will continue to present the truth to all and soon we all will know what path we could have or should have chosen!​

Blessings to All,​

stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

Keeping the law in and of itself will not save us. It is the power of God that saves us. God has deemed however that His children keep His law, and He empowers them to do this the the working of the Spirit.

Stryder:

There are more than Ten, I wish all would read the Bible. No where in the Bible does either YAHWEH, YAHSHUA or the Apostles speak of just Ten.

Because that Abraham obeyed MY Voice, and kept MY Charge, MY Commandments, MY Statutes, and MY Laws. Gen 26:5 ​

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the Mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Exo 24:12 ​

But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the Commandments, and the Statutes, and the Judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the Deut 5:31 ​

To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no Light in them. Isa 8:20 ​

Wherefore the Law is Holy, and the Commandment Holy, and Just, and Good. Rom 7:12 ​

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Read the whole Chapter of Ps 119 first. Then look up the word Ten in the Strong Dictionary and then get back to me. I do agree with you point.​

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

Read the whole Chapter of Ps 119 first. Then look up the word Ten in the Strong Dictionary and then get back to me. I do agree with you point.​

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Obviously; God has dealt out more than just the ten commandments to mankind; but The Word tells us that there were, from Sinai, 10 certain ones which were written BY THE FINGER OF GOD on 2 tablets of stone. None of the other laws you are referring to were ever in such a special position, and written by the finger of God. Those ten commandments are summed up by two commandments typically called "The Golden Rule."

 

[mrasell]

The Bible is clear that we will never "be made holy" by Sabbath-keeping, or by any other of the nine commandments.
The Sabbath, in the end times, will be a sign of something, but keeping it doesnt ever save us.

I agree that we are made holy by the Sabbath itself.

The Sabbath is a sign that God will make us holy.

Therefore it is a pledge that those who truly keep it will be sanctified by God.

This sanctification can only come through Christ.

Those who willfully and knowingly break the Sabbath cannot be sanctified because they are breaking God's law, and rejecting the promise of sanctification in Ex. 31:13 given to those who observe the Sabbath.

Marc

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder:

There are more than Ten, I wish all would read the Bible. No where in the Bible does either YAHWEH, YAHSHUA or the Apostles speak of just Ten.

Because that Abraham obeyed MY Voice, and kept MY Charge, MY Commandments, MY Statutes, and MY Laws. Gen 26:5


And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the Mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Exo 24:12


But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the Commandments, and the Statutes, and the Judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the Deut 5:31


To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no Light in them. Isa 8:20


Wherefore the Law is Holy, and the Commandment Holy, and Just, and Good. Rom 7:12 ​

Read the whole Chapter of Ps 119 first. Then look up the word Ten in the Strong Dictionary and then get back to me. I do agree with you point.​

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

I don't remember saying "ten commandments". I said "law" of which the sabbath is apart.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Obviously; God has dealt out more than just the ten commandments to mankind; but The Word tells us that there were, from Sinai, 10 certain ones which were written BY THE FINGER OF GOD on 2 tablets of stone. None of the other laws you are referring to were ever in such a special position, and written by the finger of God. Those ten commandments are summed up by two commandments typically called "The Golden Rule."

Castaway:

Obviously, you did not read the Scriptures provided:

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the Mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Ex 24:12

And HE gave unto Moses, when HE had made an end of communing with him upon Mount Sinai, two tables of Testimony, tables of stone, written with the Finger of ELOHIM. Ex 31:18 ​

To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no Light in them. Isa 8:20

Wherefore the Law is Holy, and the Commandment Holy, and Just, and Good. Rom 7:12

The word ten is only mentioned three times and neither out of the mouth of YAHWEH:

And he was there with YAHWEH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And HE Wrote upon the tables the Words of the Covenant, the Ten Commandments. Exo 34:28 ​

And HE Declared unto you HIS Covenant, which HE Commanded you to perform, even Ten Commandments; and HE Wrote them upon two tables of stone. Deut 4:13 ​

And HE Wrote on the tables, according to the first Writing, the Ten Commandments, which YAHWEH Spake unto you in the Mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and YAHWEH gave them unto me. Deut 10:4 ​

H6235 according to Strong dictionary means ten is used as an accumulation to the extent of the digits.

What do accumulation means? It comes from Latin accumulationem (nom. accumulatio) "a heaping up," Check out your dictionaries. The Commandments are not just ten but a heaping up of Commands and Laws written on Two Table of Stone by the Finger of YAHWEH. If you read Ex Chapter 21-23 are more Words that are spoken from YAHWEH and the Lev Chapter 11 and even Gen Chapter 1 and 2 also part of 3; Psa Chapter 119. YAHWEH does not alter anything from HIS Mouth. When HE gave Moses the Sacrifical Law HE did not alter them either. HE gave a time when the laws would cease if HE didn't they two would be forever! The problem is that most do not understand this text Castaway:

For MY Thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways MY Ways, saith YAHWEH. Isa 55:8​

YAHWEH adds by subtracting and divides by multiplying this is because THEY are the ALMIGHTY ONES. I understand that there are many laws that are biding as the sand near the seas and the stars in the heavens above. HIS Ways are not yours or mind but we can understand what HE has provided in the Bible all of HIS Laws, Commandments, Judgments and Statues.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

I don't remember saying "ten commandments". I said "law" of which the sabbath is apart.

Stryder:

You are right my apology for my mistake, please forgive.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[reddogs]

The Bible is clear that we will never "be made holy" by Sabbath-keeping, or by any other of the nine commandments.
The Sabbath, in the end times, will be a sign of something, but keeping it doesnt ever save us.

True..