Mariology

[Hentenza]

I guess that is because you have never read Maccabees, since it was removed from the Bible by Martin Luther.

Actually, that is why the RCC canonized it, otherwise there would not have been any "scripture" to validate the claim.

 

[Kepha]

Actually according to scripture, a man of God is one who believes in Christ and is filled with the Holy Spirit. The verse that I cited describes the role of scripture in our lives. It does not include unbiblical tradition and defines scripture as THE writtings that superceeds other noninspired writtings.

A little more than that. They were taught and were supposed to be taught. That is the entire point. It isn't "well believe and your saved and your on your way people".

And why won't you answer my answer to you in post 352?

Didn't even see it.

You are in fact limiting God by saying that He is incapable of hearing our prayers on his own and therefore, needing a heavenly intercessor, other than Jesus, to make sure that He is reminded or to have more "clout" with Him.

Not at all. I'm merely saying since it is God's WILL to allow others to pray for us then there is no reason for Him to disallow it in Heaven as well since we are all supposed to be part of the Church.

That is blatantly unbiblical.
1 Timothy 2:5, "5For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus", is clear as to who the only intercessor is.

Poor interpretation on your part. The Church acknowledges there is only ONE mediator being Christ. However, you and I are little mediators as well when we assist others by praying for them when they ask us to. That verse annoys me seeing it constantly thrown at us when the very mention of asking Saints in Heaven to Pray for us is presented.

BTW, you need to stop accusing others of cutting and pasting. I will always use quotes when the words are not mine.

It was a huge paragraph copied and pasted. At least link us to show its anothers work. Taking snippets out of other sites is different. That was too much and the gaps annoyed me so is why I brought it up. I need the patience of a Saint I suppose.

 

[Kepha]

Actually, that is why the RCC canonized it, otherwise there would not have been any "scripture" to validate the claim.

Yes good one Hentenza. So if they did insert that book to back up Eroneous claims, then they just as well could have taken others that you feel defuses our Dogma out. But they didn't did they. Seems they knew very well nothing in there went against our Teachings.

 

[Kepha]

Where do you get this stuff from? Have you looked at the verses that speak of tradition in the NT? Let me sumarize them for you.
There are a total of 13 instances of "tradition" in the KJV. Of those, 10 are completely against tradition. The other 3 refer to traditions related to the apostles and then only the traditions that the apostles taught.

There could be a 10 000 instances of traditions where the Bible is against it but the one Tradition it does speak of, is the one we speak of.

Do you know what sola scriptura actually means? I tell you that it does not mean that all is written and nothing else is valid. It means that ALL extrabiblical material MUST be consistent with scripture, otherwise, it is suspect.

Listen to yourself. Your saying everything must be consistant to how you interpretate it. C'mon, give me a break.

 

[repentant]

Oh, so then you admit that you do self-interpret? Now, that's refreshing.

No our free will is to trust the Church or not. This has nothing to do with self interpreting Scripture ourself..

 

[Kepha]

Isn't there a verse where someone asks God to send him back to warn his brothers? He must know they are not saved as of then.

Yeah there was. I can't remember that verse myself actually. Where the guy in hell wanted God to allow him to warn his brother.

Also, Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ to the disciples on the Mount of Transfiguration. Seems they knew what was going on. Or maybe He just summoned them for a quick conference call then back to sleep they go.

 

[repentant]

Rich man and Lazurus..Luke 16:19-31

 

[Kepha]

So if you know what it means then you know that Mary could not possibly listen to prayers from earth people.

Yes She could. God could easily allow them to also share in semi Omniscience. As in allow them to know what He wants them to know. It doesnt mean they would be God either be doing this. As the saying goes: "With God anything is possible" and if you think it is, then again, you limit God's power every time you utter those words.

 

[Kepha]

Rich man and Lazurus..Luke 16:19-31

Ah that's it. Thanks repentent.

 

[repentant]

I really must suggest that people really read some stories of intercession from Mary and the Saints, showing full well they hear us, and intercede for us. I have one personally that happened to my family, but I don't really want to say...

But there is one I can say, and I saw the actual scan in question..

A man was suffering from chronic headaches. He went to the doctor, and they gave him some scans. In the scan they found a tumor in his brain. After he found this out, he bagan to ask, I believe, St. Nektarios of Aegina, to intercede for him. Months and months he would pray to God and the Saint. Finally after sometime, he went for what would become one of his last scans...well in this scan, the tumor was gone, and in place of it, was the face of St. Nektarios. The man was healed.

You can read hundreds upon hundreds of stories like this....

 

[Rowan]

There was a man who tried to rape a young girl. The girl prayed for the intercession of the Theotokos, and he stopped. Later, when he came to her again to apologize and make amends, he saw her icon of the Theotokos and said "That's the woman who stopped me!"

 

[repentant]

There was a man who tried to rape a young girl. The girl prayed for the intercession of the Theotokos, and he stopped. Later, when he came to her again to apologize and make amends, he saw her icon of the Theotokos and said "That's the woman who stopped me!"

You been reading some Fr. Arseny?

 

[repentant]

When St. Herman came from Russia to Alaska to preach the Gospel to the natives..one time there was a bad storm and the sea began to rise and threaten the town with a flood. St. Herman went to the beach, and placed an icon of the Theotokos on the beach, and demanded the water not to come pass where the icon was. The sea obeyed, and the town was saved from a flood..

A younf woman who was going blind in one eye, went to Alaska to the Monastery founded by St. Herman. She went to his grave, and at his grave their is a miracleous well. The young woman prayed to St. Herman, and she got some of the water from the well, mixed it with some mud from his grave and put it on her eyes. She then washed it off. She not only regained the site in her eye, but the site she had was better than in the eye that never had a problem..

 

[Oblio]

If the RCC canonized the Deutercanon, please explain why the EOC also has those books, and have since the beginning.

Because intercessor prayers that are directed to God are biblical and I am confident that God will listen to them.

But all Baptists pray to other Christians, asking others to intercede before God.

 

[Oblio]

Because Mary is not omniscient. Only God is.

Omniscient means all-knowing, it does not mean 'having spiritual ears to hear others'. If that were true, (and it were limited to God, which Scripture does not state either), then there would not be joy in heaven over one sinner repenting (because of course they would have to be omniscient to witness this).

 

[IamAdopted]

Omniscient means all-knowing, it does not mean 'having spiritual ears to hear others'. If that were true, (and it were limited to God, which Scripture does not state either), then there would not be joy in heaven over one sinner repenting (because of course they would have to be omniscient to witness this).

Can you show me anywhere in scripture that anyone other than My Father is this? God is also omnipresent. He is the only one that is. There is no where that anyone can get away from The Spirit of God. No where. This we see in scripture from David. Humans are just created beings that God through His mercy saved through His son Christ Jesus because of His deep Love for us. We all were created to have fellowship with God. This was Gods plan in the beginning and clear through eternity. He is the creator. He is the all powerful one and maker of Heaven and Earth. Not one Created being is greater. He has always been and will always be. To say that Humans have the same office as my Father is to make for yourself a graven image as scripture says. They worship the creation instead of the Creator. For Gods plan was before anyone created was created. For this purpose did God send His only begotten Son that those whom believe in Him would have eternal life through Him to the Glory of the Father.

 

[Oblio]

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
(Luk 15:7 KJVA)

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
(Luk 2:13-14 KJVA)

This done, in like manner there appeared a man with gray hairs, and exceeding glorious, who was of a wonderful and excellent majesty. Then Onias answered, saying, This is a lover of the brethren, who prayeth much for the people, and for the holy city, to wit, Jeremias the prophet of God.
(2Ma 15:13-14 KJVA)

 

[Oblio]

Not one Created being is greater. He has always been and will always be. To say that Humans have the same office as my Father is to make for yourself a graven image as scripture says.

Strawman

 

[racer]

My sister woke up in the middle of the night having a severe asthma attack. Because she use to be a meth addict, she can no longer take asthma/allergy medicatioins. She had no other option but to hit her knees in prayer. She prayed strait to God. Guess what? She was healed and no longer suffers from asthma.

 

[Oblio]

Good for her, we do the same. We also ask others for intercession, as I suspect you do.