Mariology

[Hentenza]

Incorrect. The man of God was not just someone who confessed with his mouth and believed but was one who was taught and learned from the Apostles. That verse he was speaking to Timothy and with Scripture and a good understanding of what he learned, it could complete him but NOT complete him only. I already have an example of this way back.

Actually according to scripture, a man of God is one who believes in Christ and is filled with the Holy Spirit. The verse that I cited describes the role of scripture in our lives. It does not include unbiblical tradition and defines scripture as THE writtings that superceeds other noninspired writtings.

And why won't you answer my answer to you in post 352?

 

[Hentenza]

Then why do we ask others to pray for us ?

Because intercessor prayers that are directed to God are biblical and I am confident that God will listen to them.

 

[IamAdopted]

Hey Hentenza. I like you new look.

 

[Hentenza]

Hey Hentenza. I like you new look.

Thanks!!!

 

[StTherese]

Because intercessor prayers that are directed to God are biblical and I am confident that God will listen to them.

OK

So then why wouldn't God listen to the prayers of Mary, the woman He chose to bear His Son?

 

[Hentenza]

OK

So then why wouldn't God listen to the prayers of Mary, the woman He chose to bear His Son?

Because Mary is not omniscient. Only God is.

 

[icedtea]

What does that have to do with it?

 

[Hentenza]

What does that have to do with it?

Do you know what omniscient means?

 

[icedtea]

yes

 

[Hentenza]

yes

So if you know what it means then you know that Mary could not possibly listen to prayers from earth people.

 

[StTherese]

Because Mary is not omniscient. Only God is.

So, since you are not omniscient, God would not listen to your prayers either????

 

[Hentenza]

So, since you are not omniscient, God would not listen to your prayers either????

I am not in heaven yet, StTherese. God does listen to my prayers because I pray to him.

 

[StTherese]

I am not in heaven yet, StTherese. God does listen to my prayers because I pray to him.

Will you stop praying in heaven? If you could pray for your loved ones still living on earth, would you? Would you be closer to God in heaven than on earth?

 

[Trento]

Because Mary is not omniscient. Only God is.

When a saint enters into the joy of their Master, they are "put in charge of many things" (Mat 25:21)

 

[Trento]

You kidding me, right? Scriptures will always take precedence over tradition.
The "universal" church practiced tradition while the apstles were alive and the NT was being written. After that, tradition has to be compared to what the apostles teached to be of any value, otherwise is just mythology with no basis in scripture. I thought we had discussed this already.

The Pharisees believed in tradition. The Sadducees did not. The Sadducees believed in Sola Scripture – their Bible was the Torah, the first five books written by Moses. If it was not in the Torah, the Sadducees did not believe it. They did not believe in the resurrection of the body. It was not in the Torah, so they did not believe it.

Jesus sided with the Pharisees’ tradition on the resurrection. In fact, Jesus sided with the Pharisees most of the time over the Sola Scriptura Sadducees. Jesus condemn both the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

Sola Scriptura killed Jesus, not Tradition. The Sadducees were in charge of the Temple. It were Sadduccee priest to put pressure on Pontius Pilate. The high priests Annas and Caiaphas were Sadduccees.

The Sola Scriptura Sadducces looked at the Torah only for their doctrine. The Torah says in Deuteronomy “Hear O Israel, the Lord is One!”. There is nothing in their Bible that said that there were three persons in one God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But here comes Jesus who says He is the Son of God. Jesus said the He and the Father are One. To the Sadduccess with their rigid view of sola scriptura, this was blasphemy. To the Sadduccees, Jesus was add something new to God’s Word. God’s Word to them said nothing about there being more than one person in God. To them, Jesus was going against the Torah, the Word of God, by adding something that was not in it. This was blasphemy, so this is why the Sola Scriptura Sadducees handed Jesus to Pilate to be crucified.

So it was not tradition that killed Jesus as much as it was a rigid view of sola scriptura towards the first five books in the Bible that killed Him.

 

[Hentenza]

Will you stop praying in heaven? If you could pray for your loved ones still living on earth, would you? Would you be closer to God in heaven than on earth?

Yes, but that is where the problem is. There is not biblical evidence that dead people are even aware of the people that are still alive. I most definitely will be closer to God in heaven that I am on earth, but that doesn't mean that I will be able to hear prayer from the people on earth.

 

[Hentenza]

The Pharisees believed in tradition. The Sadducees did not. The Sadducees believed in Sola Scripture – their Bible was the Torah, the first five books written by Moses. If it was not in the Torah, the Sadducees did not believe it. They did not believe in the resurrection of the body. It was not in the Torah, so they did not believe it.

Jesus sided with the Pharisees’ tradition on the resurrection. In fact, Jesus sided with the Pharisees most of the time over the Sola Scriptura Sadducees. Jesus condemn both the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

Sola Scriptura killed Jesus, not Tradition. The Sadducees were in charge of the Temple. It were Sadduccee priest to put pressure on Pontius Pilate. The high priests Annas and Caiaphas were Sadduccees.

The Sola Scriptura Sadducces looked at the Torah only for their doctrine. The Torah says in Deuteronomy “Hear O Israel, the Lord is One!”. There is nothing in their Bible that said that there were three persons in one God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But here comes Jesus who says He is the Son of God. Jesus said the He and the Father are One. To the Sadduccess with their rigid view of sola scriptura, this was blasphemy. To the Sadduccees, Jesus was add something new to God’s Word. God’s Word to them said nothing about there being more than one person in God. To them, Jesus was going against the Torah, the Word of God, by adding something that was not in it. This was blasphemy, so this is why the Sola Scriptura Sadducees handed Jesus to Pilate to be crucified.

So it was not tradition that killed Jesus as much as it was a rigid view of sola scriptura towards the first five books in the Bible that killed Him.

Where do you get this stuff from? Have you looked at the verses that speak of tradition in the NT? Let me sumarize them for you.
There are a total of 13 instances of "tradition" in the KJV. Of those, 10 are completely against tradition. The other 3 refer to traditions related to the apostles and then only the traditions that the apostles taught.
Do you know what sola scriptura actually means? I tell you that it does not mean that all is written and nothing else is valid. It means that ALL extrabiblical material MUST be consistent with scripture, otherwise, it is suspect. There is nothing wrong with traditions that are consistent with the scripures.
The gospels teaches us about Jesus life and ministry, and the epistles are writtings of the teachings of Jesus. I doubt it very much that the scriptures "killed" Jesus. That is just absurd.

 

[StTherese]

Yes, but that is where the problem is. There is not biblical evidence that dead people are even aware of the people that are still alive.

I guess that is because you have never read Maccabees, since it was removed from the Bible by Martin Luther.

 

[icedtea]

Isn't there a verse where someone asks God to send him back to warn his brothers? He must know they are not saved as of then.

 

[Hentenza]

When a saint enters into the joy of their Master, they are "put in charge of many things" (Mat 25:21)

So, Trento, what are the saints going to get put in charge of?