Mariology

[HisBelovedMelody]

he's open mine too, to the truth that His Church is what is true and I too pray that the HS does the same for everyone else.

See how this works? We can all make that claim.

the church is the Truth? No, Jesus said HE was the Truth.

 

[Lotar]

Not everyone who disagrees is from the dragon, you know.

They are all acting under his influence.

 

[icedtea]

Everyone who disagrees with you is influenced by the dragon? obviously, you are wrong, not to mention insulting.

 

[Benedicta00]

the church is the Truth? No, Jesus said HE was the Truth.

Nice false dichotomy there.

The Church is his bride which makes her true too.

 

[Benedicta00]

Though your view of His church and my view are drastically different.

Yep... and it would behoove you to try to me, I'm wrong as it would behove me to tell you, you're are wrong, especially when we are both "Spirit led."

 

[Benedicta00]

They are all acting under his influence.

Sure it's only the enemy who wants to do away with Mary but not everyone is under his influence.

Some folks are only following Christ the best they know how and they may not be willful denying Mary but just really be convinced that she takes something away from God.

I admit the devil is happy but he may not be the culprit. Some folks was just raised thinking this so they really can't help but think this.

 

[Benedicta00]

What is this suppose to be saying? The Apostles had the power of the Holy Spirit to open their mouths and God speak through Them. They are the ones who penned the Gospels. What they penned is what they taught and fed. This is why we need Gods word for when it is read or preached it is the Power of salvation.

That the apostles successors... which is his Church is who teaches us, we do not teach ourselves.

God left them this job to "feed His sheep." I never saw where Jesus said, "Sheep, here's a book, now go feed yourselves."

 

[Ysabel]

Jesus is the Truth
but as I understand it we were commanded by Him to follow His teaching in Spirit and Truth.
Which is why He left behind His Apostles. To continue teaching in Truth.

 

[icedtea]

Which is why there is a bible, which teaches us all truth.
No man is qualified.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Nice false dichotomy there.

The Church is his bride which makes her true too.

it is a false nothing Bene. Jesus Himself said HE was the way the Truth and the Life. Sorry...Yes, we are the bride...ALL of us..not just the catholic denomination. That has nothing to do with Jesus being the Truth.

 

[repentant]

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[icedtea]

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[repentant]

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Lol..

I was going to say something, but it I couldn't figure out how to say it, without looking like I am saying the Catholic Church is the Church..

 

[Benedicta00]

Which is why there is a bible, which teaches us all truth.
No man is qualified.

No man but you, right?

Is the Bible going to teach you by itself... come on now, it's a inanimate object.

Would I dare think my kid doesn't need his math teacher, that his text book will do him just fine?

 

[Benedicta00]

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[Benedicta00]

it is a false nothing Bene. Jesus Himself said HE was the way the Truth and the Life. Sorry...Yes, we are the bride...ALL of us..not just the catholic denomination. That has nothing to do with Jesus being the Truth.

It's a false dichotomy... it's the fallacy of either/or thinking.

Either Jesus is true or his Church is true.

You have created this false dilemma, where one has to choose beween the two... but it's a bogus choice.

Jesus Christ is truth, and the Church is his, it was built by him with his own hands, so it is also truth.

 

[IamAdopted]

No man but you, right?

Is the Bible going to teach you by itself... come on now, it's a inanimate object.

Would I dare think my kid doesn't need his math teacher, that his text book will do him just fine?

Is the Holy Spirit an inanimate object? No. He is our teacher.

9 Does he who implanted the ear not hear?
Does he who formed the eye not see?
10 Does he who disciplines nations not punish?
Does he who teaches man lack knowledge? 11 The LORD knows the thoughts of man;
he knows that they are futile.

God teached us His word.

 

[IamAdopted]

It's a false dichotomy... it's the fallacy of either/or thinking.

Either Jesus is true or his Church is true.

You have created this false dilemma, where one has to choose beween the two... but it's a bogus choice.

Jesus Christ is truth, and the Church is his, it was built by him with his own hands, so it is also truth.

Jesus still builds His church today and that is His people the bride. Not a name but a people. Those called by His name. Jesus did not come to save a church but to save sinners.. Those whom He saves He adds to His body.

 

[Benedicta00]

Jesus still builds His church today and that is His people the bride. Not a name but a people. Those called by His name. Jesus did not come to save a church but to save sinners.. Those whom He saves He adds to His body.

Like I said, no false dichotomy.

this isn't the fallacy of either/or thinking. That it's either the mystical body that his his Church or it's the divine visible institution God established in order to teach us and administer to us the sacraments that impart sanctifying grace.

IAA, wrap your mind around the idea that it's BOTH.

It's His Church that teaches us the truth and it's His Church that incorporates us in his body and sanctifies us in His body which makes up His church.

 

[IamAdopted]

Like I said, no false dichotomy.

this isn't the fallacy of either/or thinking. That it's either the mystical body that his his Church or it's the divine visible institution God established in order to teach us and administer to us the sacraments that impart sanctifying grace.

IAA, wrap your mind around the idea that it's BOTH.

It's His Church that teaches us the truth and it's His Church that incorporates us in his body and sanctifies us in His body which makes up His church.

It is His Holy Spirit that teaches us the truth. Jesus did not come to give us a church. Jesus came to save those whom are lost. And in being saved God adds them to His body. The church, The bride. For God saves individual people. We are to be one with Christ through the Holy Spirit that God places in us as His deposit on His people. Jesus came to fulfill the Old covenant and pour out His blood for a new convenant. And that those who come to Him will be saved. Part of His body. We do not see scripture tell us that Jesus came to build a church. But to save those whom are lost. We see in scripture that it is the Holy Spirit and the written word of God that is our teacher.