Marijuana Not Useful for Treatment of Mental Conditions

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In the past several years we have been bombarded by news stories about the medical uses of marijuana or compounds derived from marijuana. We are hearing endless testimonials about the people it has helped, or who could be helped if regulations didn’t get in the way.

The following information deals with mental disorders, and not with purely physical ailments, but it does give a word of caution. The American Psychiatric Association issued a Position Statement in 2019 dealing with marijuana. It tells anyone thinking about using marijuana or anything derived from it as a treatment for a mental disorder to think again. That includes depression.

To summarize the following, there is no evidence that marijuana is beneficial for any mental disorder. If anything, the evidence is that using marijuana may be associated with the start of such disorders in many people. We are warned that the FDA has never approved anything intended for smoking as a medication. Changes in policy should be “evidence-based” and not driven by “ballot initiatives.”

Even compounds derived from marijuana which aren’t smoked have serious dosage and quality control problems. In other words, you don’t know exactly what you are getting or how much you need.

Quotes from the APA Position Statement

There is no current scientific evidence that cannabis is in any way beneficial for the treatment of any psychiatric disorder. In contrast, current evidence supports, at minimum, a strong association of cannabis use with the onset of psychiatric disorders. Adolescents are particularly vulnerable to harm, given the effects of cannabis on neurological development.”

Policy and practice surrounding cannabis-derived substances should not be altered until sufficient clinical evidence supports such changes.”

Medical treatment should be evidence-based and determined by professional standards of care; it should not be authorized by ballot initiatives.”

No medication approved by the FDA is smoked.”

Even for non-smoked forms there is a dosage problem.

Even non-smoked means of consumption, such as edible forms of cannabis, tinctures, and ointments have variable absorption, bio-availability, and a range of phyto-cannabinoids and other biologically active compounds which are not measured or controlled for in production.”

The APA does not endorse cannabis as medicine.”


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It's discouraging and sad how folks with mental health issues can get guns easier than cannabis. I will concede cannabis isn't beneficial to everyone. Yet if our inept government would remove it from the Schedule I drug list, researchers could actually learn more about the benefits of cannabis in treating anxiety, insomnia, chronic pain etc. Reefer Madness propaganda had excruciating consequences for America in denying the benefits of cannabis to millions of Americans. One example is the opiate dependence of millions of otherwise fine Americans.
 
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It's discouraging and sad how folks with mental health issues can get guns easier than cannabis. I will concede cannabis isn't beneficial to everyone. Yet if our inept government would remove it from the Schedule I drug list, researchers could actually learn more about the benefits of cannabis in treating anxiety, insomnia, chronic pain etc. Reefer Madness propaganda had excruciating consequences for America in denying the benefits of cannabis to millions of Americans. One example is the opiate dependence of millions of otherwise fine Americans.

Researchers have no problem getting marijuana for research purposes, really. A lot of states and areas have exceptions for institutions using it solely for academic and medical research. I do agree though, that those with a history of mental illness should not be able to possess guns (a lot more too that, length of time since treatment, medicated/unmedicated, yada yada yada, but I will not get into here.) Unfortunately, they've been successful in being treated equally for that and preventing medical history from being accessible by the federal background check that happens when a gun is normally purchased.
 
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Unfortunately, they've been successful in being treated equally for that and preventing medical history from being accessible by the federal background check that happens when a gun is normally purchased.
People seek out a therapist/psychiatrist for many reasons. A man or woman may talk to a therapist separately or as a couple about intimacy
in their marriage. Who should have access to that information? How would their problems be a danger to the public?
If a person's mental health has been determined to be, or could, harmful to themselves or others in a court, that should show up on a background check.

We don't need to be discouraging people from seeking the help of therapists and psychiatrists.

How about Christian therapists needing to report when they counsel Christians for depression, matrimonial issues, etc.?
 
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People seek out a therapist/psychiatrist for many reasons. A man or woman may talk to a therapist separately or as a couple about intimacy
in their marriage. Who should have access to that information? How would their problems be a danger to the public?
If a person's mental health has been determined to be, or could, harmful to themselves or others in a court, that should show up on a background check.

We don't need to be discouraging people from seeking the help of therapists and psychiatrists.

How about Christian therapists needing to report when they counsel Christians for depression, matrimonial issues, etc.?

Well, let's go ahead and derail the OP's topic of conversation haha.

Ok, so I believe that anyone who has been hospitalized within a certain amount of time before purchasing a handgun or one has been on medication to treat certain mental conditions within a certain amount of time before purchasing a handgun, should be banned from owning a handgun until the time conditions have been met. Meaning that, for example, I believe that one who has been hospitalized due to a mental episode within, say, the last 7 years, should be barred from owning a handgun until they've gone that long without a mental episode. Do you understand what I'm saying?

I will say though, that one who is struggling with thoughts of suicide should not own a gun at all just because that's like one who is an alcoholic still going to bars even though they may just go for the food.
 
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In the past several years we have been bombarded by news stories about the medical uses of marijuana or compounds derived from marijuana. We are hearing endless testimonials about the people it has helped, or who could be helped if regulations didn’t get in the way.

The following information deals with mental disorders, and not with purely physical ailments, but it does give a word of caution. The American Psychiatric Association issued a Position Statement in 2019 dealing with marijuana. It tells anyone thinking about using marijuana or anything derived from it as a treatment for a mental disorder to think again. That includes depression.

To summarize the following, there is no evidence that marijuana is beneficial for any mental disorder. If anything, the evidence is that using marijuana may be associated with the start of such disorders in many people. We are warned that the FDA has never approved anything intended for smoking as a medication. Changes in policy should be “evidence-based” and not driven by “ballot initiatives.”

Even compounds derived from marijuana which aren’t smoked have serious dosage and quality control problems. In other words, you don’t know exactly what you are getting or how much you need.

Quotes from the APA Position Statement

There is no current scientific evidence that cannabis is in any way beneficial for the treatment of any psychiatric disorder. In contrast, current evidence supports, at minimum, a strong association of cannabis use with the onset of psychiatric disorders. Adolescents are particularly vulnerable to harm, given the effects of cannabis on neurological development.”

Policy and practice surrounding cannabis-derived substances should not be altered until sufficient clinical evidence supports such changes.”

Medical treatment should be evidence-based and determined by professional standards of care; it should not be authorized by ballot initiatives.”

No medication approved by the FDA is smoked.”

Even for non-smoked forms there is a dosage problem.

Even non-smoked means of consumption, such as edible forms of cannabis, tinctures, and ointments have variable absorption, bio-availability, and a range of phyto-cannabinoids and other biologically active compounds which are not measured or controlled for in production.”

The APA does not endorse cannabis as medicine.”


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file:///C:/Users/hp/AppData/Local/Temp/Position-Cannabis-as-Medicine.pdf

I've never come across any claims that marijuana can be beneficial to mental health. There's a fair amount of literature based on studies going back a couple of decades to the contrary, showing a possible increase in incidence of psychosis and a general decline in brain function, possibly permanent if a person uses it regularly during their teens. There is evidence that it can help with some physical conditions though, like MS and chronic pain.
 
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There is some evidence cannabinoids can effectively be used for PTSD and anxiety disorders.
Can marijuana ease mental health conditions?
The medical community acknowledges there isn't enough data yet and we need more studies. The Chinese have known the medicinal value of Marijuana and have used the natural plant for 5000 years. America is funny with freedom and all of the suppression we accept. While politicians and pharmaceuticals rake in their profits from addicting citizens to pills.
 
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I've never come across any claims that marijuana can be beneficial to mental health. There's a fair amount of literature based on studies going back a couple of decades to the contrary, showing a possible increase in incidence of psychosis and a general decline in brain function, possibly permanent if a person uses it regularly during their teens. There is evidence that it can help with some physical conditions though, like MS and chronic pain.
Check again. It is prescribed for PTSD but not depression/anxiety nor schizophrenia though some find relief with it. Cannabis does not cause psychosis unless the patient is already afflicted with a schizoaffective disorder. It's pretty safe. Safer than cigarettes and alcohol for sure which people use often to self-medicate their depression/anxiety or whatever.
 
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There is some evidence cannabinoids can effectively be used for PTSD and anxiety disorders.
Can marijuana ease mental health conditions?
The medical community acknowledges there isn't enough data yet and we need more studies. The Chinese have known the medicinal value of Marijuana and have used the natural plant for 5000 years. America is funny with freedom and all of the suppression we accept. While politicians and pharmaceuticals rake in their profits from addicting citizens to pills.
That's the thing. They want you on pills so pharma can make money. People being cured by a plant they can grow themselves is absolutely unacceptable for pharma and their political allies.
 
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Check again. It is prescribed for PTSD but not depression/anxiety nor schizophrenia though some find relief with it. Cannabis does not cause psychosis unless the patient is already afflicted with a schizoaffective disorder. It's pretty safe. Safer than cigarettes and alcohol for sure which people use often to self-medicate their depression/anxiety or whatever.

PTSD is a different kettle of fish, not resolvable other than through increased resilience and distraction/grounding techniques, some of which can be effective in the long term. I can see some weed taking the edge off flashbacks and so on. Hash as a treatment for psychosis or anxiety is a terrible idea.

There have been some long term studies that do indicate increased susceptibility to psychotic episodes and declines in brain function, which in the young can lead to permanent impairments.
 
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That's the thing. They want you on pills so pharma can make money. People being cured by a plant they can grow themselves is absolutely unacceptable for pharma and their political allies.

Is someone giving away free marijuana?
 
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As one who has survived serious mental health issues triggered from marijuana use I consider it extremely dangerous.

It took seven years of payer and support to be fully healed.
 
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PTSD is a different kettle of fish, not resolvable other than through increased resilience and distraction/grounding techniques, some of which can be effective in the long term. I can see some weed taking the edge off flashbacks and so on. Hash as a treatment for psychosis or anxiety is a terrible idea.

There have been some long term studies that do indicate increased susceptibility to psychotic episodes and declines in brain function, which in the young can lead to permanent impairments.
You present a good point about cannabis affecting the young people. Their brains and bodies are not yet fully developed and research has shown adolescents are more succeptible to impairment. People think marijuana is virtually harmless and it's a misconception, especially when talking about the effects on younger users. Yet I haven't lost any friends to its use like I have lost friends to alcohol. Both in accidents and organs shutting down in 50 year old friends.
 
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In the past several years we have been bombarded by news stories about the medical uses of marijuana or compounds derived from marijuana. We are hearing endless testimonials about the people it has helped, or who could be helped if regulations didn’t get in the way.

I don't believe anyone who says they are bombarded. If so, then they need to pull the plug on whatever they are attached to.
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The medical uses of marijuana are usually about people in pain.
Yes, it works for that.
Yes, I've tried it.
 
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There are plenty of circumstances where marijuana has caused mental health.


You do realize that there are numbers of college students who flunk out when they get into heavily smoking marijuana?
 
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I don't believe anyone who says they are bombarded. If so, then they need to pull the plug on whatever they are attached to.
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The medical uses of marijuana are usually about people in pain.
Yes, it works for that.
Yes, I've tried it.


Do you read a newspaper?
 
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