Marijuana Laws

[MookHustle]

I know it is illegal (the government and police make it abundantly clear) but is is wrong in the eyes of GOD to smoke marijuana ocassionaly? I know it is not right to be consumed by it and put it before GOD, but what if it is regulated and not consuming? THoughts?

 

[invisible trousers]

This topic is about marijuana laws, right?

I think marijuana laws are ridiculous.

In fact, the whole war on drugs is ridiculous

 

[mnphysicist]

I know it is not right to be consumed by it and put it before GOD, but what if it is regulated and not consuming? THoughts?

There are issues of causing ones brother to stumble, as well as not honoring the temple through improper physical care. However, assuming again, the above stated conditions, it becomes an individual decision, not unlike the decision to eat or not eat shell fish, bacon, big macs, or even to become a vegetarian.

Its such a political issue, that little real scientific research has been done concerning its tendency to be consuming. Assuming physiologically, it is proven not to be, its use under your stated conditions, imho it is a neutral activity.

Its political status is more a function of economics rather than a true moral issue. Unless of course, its ones own money thats involved then it becomes a highly moral and ethical issue.

Ron

 

[Multi-Elis]

Fibro-mayalgia is a condition that marijuana might cure. It still has to be tested, which is difficult, given the anti-drug laws.

 

[£amb]

I know it is illegal (the government and police make it abundantly clear) but is is wrong in the eyes of GOD to smoke marijuana ocassionaly? I know it is not right to be consumed by it and put it before GOD, but what if it is regulated and not consuming? THoughts?

The drugs that are in existence today either did not exist or were not common in Bible times. As a result, the Bible does not address drug use. The Bible does tell us to avoid anything that is harmful to our bodies (1 Corinthians 6:20) and to not get involved with anything that is addicting (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drugs fail both of these tests. The Bible also tells us to obey the laws of the country we live in (Romans 13:1-4). Drugs are illegal and therefore we should stay away from them for that reason alone, even if they were not also addicting and harmful to our health.

 

[holo]

On one hand I don't want to see more people smoke marijuana or use other drugs.
On the other hand I can't defend a law that punishes you for your choice of intoxicants or harming yourself.

 

[invisible trousers]

The drugs that are in existence today either did not exist or were not common in Bible times. As a result, the Bible does not address drug use.

Things like alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, cubensis/psilocybin mushrooms, poppies, coca, ayahuasca, peyote, woodrose seeds, morning glory seeds, salvia, and san pedro cactus were not around?

The Bible also tells us to obey the laws of the country we live in (Romans 13:1-4). Drugs are illegal and therefore we should stay away from them for that reason alone, even if they were not also addicting and harmful to our health.

Would you revise your statement if you knew why drugs became illegal? Hint: lots and lots of racism

 

[Isidore_AK]

Things like alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, cubensis/psilocybin mushrooms, poppies, coca, ayahuasca, peyote, woodrose seeds, morning glory seeds, salvia, and san pedro cactus were not around?


Would you revise your statement if you knew why drugs became illegal? Hint: lots and lots of racism

What does racism have to do with marijuana?

 

[£amb]

Things like alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, cubensis/psilocybin mushrooms, poppies, coca, ayahuasca, peyote, woodrose seeds, morning glory seeds, salvia, and san pedro cactus were not around?

Reread what I said...they either were not around or were not common. I didn't say that there were absolutely no types of drugs around.

Would you revise your statement if you knew why drugs became illegal? Hint: lots and lots of racism

How does my statement reflect the reasoning for illegal drugs? I was talking about obeying the law. Nothing to do with why they are illegal.

 

[MookHustle]

I feel that the government won't legalize marijuana because they feel like they would lose money. They make a good bit by busting users and dealers. Hefty fines and court costs make for a fat government pocket. But what they don't realize is, if legalized, it would bring in the same amount(if not more) of money. They would be able to tax it to death, it would turn "criminals" who grow it into productive citizens...(it has to come from somewhere) which in turn would help out the economy by establishing a workforce. It would free up space in prisons for REAL criminals like rapists and murderers. also, with technology now, they would be able to regulate it in some way...ie. be able to tell when someone is under the influence...maybe when you smoke it turns your mouth blue or something like that. They would make money off of HIGH driving arrests...which I'm sure they already do. I mean look at this country, we have so many alchoholics that it is unbelieveable, but it is socially accepted because these people who control our laws won't illlegalize hooch cuz they like to drink there wine or what have you. I'm not saying that I want alchohol illegal but there is such a double standard. So many people are killed every year by drunk drivers, people are hurt, killed, abused by someone under the influence of alcohol. But have you ever heard of anyone going crazy and killing someone because they were high, abusing their wife because they had smoked a joint? I'll stop ranting now.


Oh yeah...I'm pretty sure it was around back then....GOD created it.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

i think that it should be legal to use it for medical conditions only, but other than that it should be illegal bc ppl will just misuse it otherwise.

 

[mnphysicist]

Its pretty much an economical decision, and its more than just govt, its personal. A good friend in law enforcement has done very well due to the the law on drugs. I'm sure others do as well. When a huge portion of your income is due to the drug war, its not something you want to see go away. Please note, what he is doing is 100% legal, although I would also believe, that there are folks on the law enforcement side engaged in shady stuff as well.

Much may change in the future, once the baby boomers get older, and find that current pharmacology is inadequate. Once it hits personally, all of a sudden economic biases, get thrown out the window.

This assumes that it is beneficial. Clinical trials are filled with so much red tape, its hard to say one way or another. Anecdotal evidence would suggest it is viable for a number of medical purposes.

Apart from medicine, it is hard to say one way or another. Some research suggests the health and societal effects would be much less than alcohol. I'd tend to agree with them... but I tend to be anti-alcohol, so I am biased in that regard.

Ron

 

[AudioArtist]

I used to use that drug, and I felt the Holy Spirit telling me to stop. However, if you can use it responsibly and if your consience seems to be telling you it is fine, then perhaps the occasional smoke isn't so bad. All I know is that, for me, it does more damage than good, and even though it is not chemically/physically addictive, it is still psycologically addictive (in that I couldn't wait for my next "fix", and social situations weren't completely without the drug.) I had to stop using it completely, because otherwise I would be tempted to "enhance" the experience of watching films or listening to music with the drug.

 

[invisible trousers]

What does racism have to do with marijuana?

i dunno maybe the primary motivation for making it illegal?

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

"Colored students at the Univ. of Minn. partying with female students (white), smoking [marijuana] and getting their sympathy with stories of racial persecution. Result pregnancy"; or "Two Negros took a girl fourteen years old and kept her for two days under the influence of marijuana. Upon recovery she was found to be suffering from syphilis."

"Marijuana is taken by ...musicians. And I'm not speaking about good musicians, but the jazz type..."

- Harry J. Anslinger, Commissioner of the Bureau of Narcotics, 1930-1962

Reread what I said...they either were not around or were not common. I didn't say that there were absolutely no types of drugs around.

With the exception of alcohol, those are all plants. Do you have proof that those plants were not around or not common back then?

I was talking about obeying the law. Nothing to do with why they are illegal.

I'm not sure why I should obey a worthless law that does more harm than good.

 

[neverforsaken]

in regards to the racism thing, yeah its actually true. for instance, cocain was legal in the late 19th century and early 20th century. the author of the famous sherlock holmes series was a coke addict. and Coca Cola use to be a health tonic made of none other than cocain. however, a problem occured when someone noticed that with enough of cocain or other mind altering drugs, an individual can become dangerous because they sometimes become stronger. for instance you can shoot a man many times more who is on cocain than a man who isnt without dropping him. and when the community realized that they could be having a problem oppressing such "primative" people such as blacks, native americans and even us hawaiians, they sought to outlaw them.

But morally, i am against marijuana or any possible addictive substance.
Economically....im against drug laws. its just like prohibition. it doesnt work and eats billions of tax dollars that could be used to build rehab centers for those who want to quit. because law or not, people WILL do drugs. the question is, do we pay out of our pockets for an ineffective system, or do we seek ways to heal those who desire change?

 

[billychum]

In comparison to the dope that's hit the streets since the war on drugs began. Crack, crystal meth, X, G and the list goes on. Dope cooked up from household chemicals in a hotel bathroom sink or some other manufacturing house. Highly addictive, cheap, easy to get and deadly. The war on drugs stopped the flow of weed into this country, but look at the results. Stronger family values is the best way to fight drug use.
Billy <><

 

[constance]

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

"Marijuana is taken by ...musicians. And I'm not speaking about good musicians, but the jazz type..."

A) Only 100,000? I must know them all.
B) Dude. I live in Chicago. I'm just gonna reflect on "I'm not speaking about good musicians, but the jazz type"
C) Ugh. Thanks for sharing this lovely quote. Isn't it great that Bigotry is alive and well?

Constance

 

[Shizzle]

But morally, i am against marijuana or any possible addictive substance.

Jesus wasnt, he turned water into wine, and alchohol is possibly addictive.

Marijuana is not like alchohol for one major reason: ANY amount is harmful to you, it only takes on billionth of a gram of thc in this gland in your brain to make it start overworking it self. I have many friends who do marijuana, and it ends up just like the stereotypical problem. One of them says he knows he wont be able to stop, and that he will end up going on to something like shrooms. Another i know is cutting back to using it only on the weekends, but even so he is noticing the affects of it and says his short term memory is affected, which is the main side-affect of it, its bad for your body overall because the thc accumulates in your tissue and takes a while to wear off, but even while its there it wears down your body. My friend said that hes really tired all the time and that he thinks the problem is that weed makes you more tired and when you smoke, its not as good and you end up falling asleep. So you do it more but develop a tolerance to it overtime and end up going to something harder which my other friend knows is going to happen, they both believe Christianitys true, but one rejects god and the other is still addicted.

Marijuana is bad for you, mostly your short term memory, it can also unlock mental ilnesses you never knew you had. Even if you only do it once a month and dont get addicted., its still bad for you and as such we need our physical bodies to serve God.

 

[neverforsaken]

the wine was sacrimental wine. which is traditionally made of one part wine and two parts water. in that way it has less alchohol than cough syrup.

 

[invisible trousers]

Marijuana is not like alchohol for one major reason: ANY amount is harmful to you, it only takes on billionth of a gram of thc in this gland in your brain to make it start overworking it self

...words...

whoa.
1. do you know how cannabinoids affect the brain?
2. do you have sources for anything you've said?

propaganda and lies about marijuana keep the house of cards standing.