Maricopa County Voting Centers Plagued with Tabulation Errors on Election Day Affected Areas Averaging Well Over 300 Percent More Republicans Than Dem

[KCfromNC]

While tampering seems a likely cause, we don't know yet because Maricopa County officials are dragging their heels in response to requests for information.

Weird this sentence both asserts that the evidence points towards tampering and at the same time asserts that there's not enough evidence yet.

 

[KCfromNC]

If they cannot make a few hours free in their schedule they cannot be all that invested in voting and likely are not that invested in participating.

I think this approach presumes that the people you're using it on actually believe their own talking points?

 

[Desk trauma]

I think this approach presumes that the people you're using it on actually believe their own talking points?

I should know better by now.

 

[Valletta]

The idea that there were 'irregularities' that favoured the Democrats comes entirely from disgrunted Republicans, led by Trump. There was no systematic attempt to 'steal the election' (Trump's own words). I say that, though I am not a Democrat.

Of course the outrages perpetrated outsice and within the Capitol was an insurrection! They were calling for the hanging of the Vice President, even erecting a gallows for the purpose. That 'solid evidence' of electoral laws being violated: where is it?

Actually when leftists seized, occupied, and held federal property--that fit the definition of an insurrection. Your baloney about the Capitol is a hoax, since the vast majority of violence is perpetrated by those on the left it was simply an opportunity for a fabricated narrative. Many of the violations of election law were in regard to chain of custody and observation, state courts have ruled laws were broken. No one knows what the counts would have been had the laws been followed.

 

[KCfromNC]

Actually when leftists seized, occupied, and held federal property--that fit the definition of an insurrection.

Interesting assertion. But given there's zero reason given to believe it, one is left to wonder if the opinion is meant to be taken seriously or just a knee jerk reaction - something akin to elementary school "I know you are but what am I" sort of stuff.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Actually when leftists seized, occupied, and held federal property--that fit the definition of an insurrection. Your baloney about the Capitol is a hoax, since the vast majority of violence is perpetrated by those on the left it was simply an opportunity for a fabricated narrative. Many of the violations of election law were in regard to chain of custody and observation, state courts have ruled laws were broken. No one knows what the counts would have been had the laws been followed.

There are a number falsehoods packed in that statement, and it dazzles the mind that they get repeated.

You already made claims that the riot at the Capitol was just the opposite - and you were unable to substantiate your claim while it was shown to you repeatedly and with pictures how violent it really was.

Nor have you ever proven your claims of voter fraud despite your repeated statements that there was fraud.
Guiliani couldn't prove it either and when asked in court if he had proof, he had to say no.

The election went just fine in Maricopa County. There is a very large percentage of Independent voters in Maricopa and Pima and Penal, and they went more Democratic than Republican. Kari Lake and her followers are exemplifying how to be a poor loser.

 

[Valletta]

There are a number falsehoods packed in that statement, and it dazzles the mind that they get repeated.

You already made claims that the riot at the Capitol was just the opposite - and you were unable to substantiate your claim while it was shown to you repeatedly and with pictures how violent it really was.

Nor have you ever proven your claims of voter fraud despite your repeated statements that there was fraud.
Guiliani couldn't prove it either and when asked in court if he had proof, he had to say no.

The election went just fine in Maricopa County. There is a very large percentage of Independent voters in Maricopa and Pima and Penal, and they went more Democratic than Republican. Kari Lake and her followers are exemplifying how to be a poor loser.

The individual acts of violence at the Capitol were infinitesimal when compared with the leftist riots around the country. False. I did not claim "voter fraud," although there were plenty of violations of election law. The election did not go fine in Maricopa County, the flawed election drew international attention with a large number of machines not working that had been tested hours before. The County has been unresponsive as to canvassing data and it looks like it is going to take a court order to find out how many tens of thousands of people showed up to vote but did not vote.

 

[Whyayeman]

The individual acts of violence at the Capitol were infinitesimal when compared with the leftist riots around the country. False. I did not claim "voter fraud," although there were plenty of violations of election law. The election did not go fine in Maricopa County, the flawed election drew international attention with a large number of machines not working that had been tested hours before. The County has been unresponsive as to canvassing data and it looks like it is going to take a court order to find out how many tens of thousands of people showed up to vote but did not vote.

None of this rings true. I agree with FreeinChrist; falsehoods abound. Individual acts compared to riots; riots too are composed of small individual acts.

What is voter fraud but violations of election law?

No votes were ignored or rejected as a result of the problem with machines. All votes were counted and nobody was turned away.

 

[wing2000]

The County has been unresponsive as to canvassing data and it looks like it is going to take a court order to find out how many tens of thousands of people showed up to vote but did not vote.

Where is the evidence for the "tens of thousands of people" who did not vote?
The GOP had no evidence on Election Day when they petitioned a court to extend voting hours.
And to date, not a single case has been presented in a court of law...let alone tens of thousands.


What imaginary world do you live in?

 

[Whyayeman]

Where is the evidence for the "tens of thousands of people" who did not vote?
The GOP had no evidence on Election Day when they petitioned a court to extend voting hours.
And to date, not a single case has been presented in a court of law...let alone tens of thousands.


What imaginary world do you live in?

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.​

Alice through the Looking Glass: Lewis Carroll

 

[FreeinChrist]

The individual acts of violence at the Capitol were infinitesimal when compared with the leftist riots around the country.

Wow, you went from " Your baloney about the Capitol is a hoax, since the vast majority of violence is perpetrated by those on the left it was simply an opportunity for a fabricated narrative " to admitting to acts of violence at the Capitol. That violence was done from right wingers not left wingers. Those rioting were committing sedition.

There was a significant attempt to stop the certification that day, and for assassination if they got their hands on Pelosi or any of the others. The statement I quoted was false and I plan on confronting statements like that when I see them.

False. I did not claim "voter fraud," although there were plenty of violations of election law.

You complained a great deal about supposed voter fraud in the 2020 election and Kari Lake and fans are doing the same thing.

The election did not go fine in Maricopa County, the flawed election drew international attention with a large number of machines not working that had been tested hours before. The County has been unresponsive as to canvassing data and it looks like it is going to take a court order to find out how many tens of thousands of people showed up to vote but did not vote.

There were printer problems in a few areas and the machines worked fine once technicians changed the printer settings. Every ballot got counted. NO one missed out unless they chose not to vote. Of course, had they voted by mail, there wouldn't have been a problem. That was a Republican driven idea.

Show proof that tens of thousands showed up and did not vote. Some may have left if they could not wait for about 2 hours, but they may have come back later.

 

[Valletta]

Where is the evidence for the "tens of thousands of people" who did not vote?
The GOP had no evidence on Election Day when they petitioned a court to extend voting hours.
And to date, not a single case has been presented in a court of law...let alone tens of thousands.


What imaginary world do you live in?

Arizona law requires that a lawsuit contending an election is not to be filed until after certification. The state of Arizona is expected to certify around December 5th or 6th.

 

[Valletta]

You complained a great deal about supposed voter fraud in the 2020 election and Kari Lake and fans are doing the same thing.


There were printer problems in a few areas and the machines worked fine once technicians changed the printer settings. Every ballot got counted. NO one missed out unless they chose not to vote. Of course, had they voted by mail, there wouldn't have been a problem. That was a Republican driven idea.

Show proof that tens of thousands showed up and did not vote. Some may have left if they could not wait for about 2 hours, but they may have come back later.

Ashli Babbitt was gunned down in cold blood by a police officer although there was no imminent danger to his well being. Had she struggled with him or charged him it would not have been murder. With such a large crowd expect some violence could be expected, there are almost always some nuts, that's why President Trump offered up to 20,000 National Guard troops. Why Nancy Pelosi did not want them we won't know until the new Congress. But a number of people were just there and committed no acts of violence have been improperly imprisoned and are truly political prisoners. Voter "fraud" is different than wrongdoing, courts ruled that election laws were broken,, not that there was "fraud." You may have seen my posts on election wrongdoing, that is not the same as "fraud." Maricopa County has not been forthcoming with the canvassing data, hopefully a court will order the county to produce it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Ashli Babbitt was gunned down in cold blood by a police officer although there was no imminentanger to his well being. Had she struggled with him or charged him it would not have been murder.

That is untrue, to put it nicely. Ashli Babbitt was ignoring the clear direct instructions of police officers who were protecting members of congress from a riotous mob (insurrectionists) and there was nothing to indicate that those rioters would have good will toward the congress members. She was a criminal who sadly asked for what she got.

It didn't meet the definition of murder and it is a lie to say she was murdered.

With such a large crowd expect some violence could be expected, there are almost always some nuts, that's why President Trump offered up to 20,000 National Guard troops. Why Nancy Pelosi did not want them we won't know until the new Congress.

And we beat this one to death repeatedly but if you want to keep bringing it up. It was not Pelosi's job to turn them down. I just love how the right brings up Pelosi as if McConnell was not in the same position as her. SHE, no McConnell, did make the call to ask for help once they were in a safe place.

Fact Check: Did Pelosi Reject Trump’s Request for National Guard Troops on January 6?

A claim from Donald Trump Jr. is false.

thedispatch.com

Don Jr lied.

Trump did not sign an order to deploy 20,000 troops on Jan. 6

CLAIM: Former President Donald Trump signed an order to deploy 20,000 National Guard troops before his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, but was stopped by the House sergeant at arms, at the behest of Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

apnews.com

Pelosi does not control the National Guard.

But a number of people were just there and committed no acts of violence have been improperly imprisoned and are truly political prisoners.

Not true. They were committing a crime just by being in the Capitol after going through barriers and ignoring police and breaking windows and shoving doors open despite the police on the other side trying to keep them closed. Some smeared feces around, some stole things, others broke into offices and went through desks. We all saw those in the Senate and House. It was a total disgrace and defending the illegal actions of these people is truly sad.
They were arrested, tried and sentenced. That is the American judicial system.

Voter "fraud" is different than wrongdoing, courts ruled that election laws were broken,, not that there was "fraud." You may have seen my posts on election wrongdoing, that is not the same as "fraud." Maricopa County has not been forthcoming with the canvassing data, hopefully a court will order the county to produce it.

To copy a post by another member:

Maricopa County has certified the election. Let the screaming begin (or continue)

Kari Lake and company flat out lost on Nov. 8. Now, they'll spend the next two years screaming about it. And raising money to 'fight' it.

www.azcentral.com

Maricopa County on Sunday acknowledged printer problems in 43 of the county’s 223 voting centers on Election Day but said no voters were disenfranchised and no laws were broken.​

“Every voter was provided a ballot by which he or she could record their votes, and all such ballots cast by lawful voters were tabulated, whether in the vote center or at the Maricopa County Tabulation and Election Center,” deputy Maricopa County Attorney Tom Liddy, a lifelong Republican, wrote.

In its response to questions from the attorney general’s Elections Integrity Unit, the county addressed some of the MAGA team’s biggest complaints:​

​

MAGA COMPLAINT: Republican voters were forced to wait in line for hours, with potentially tens of thousands leaving before they could vote.​

IN FACT: The county says the average wait at the county’s 233 vote centers was 6 minutes. At 85% of the county’s vote centers, the longest wait was no more than 45 minutes. Seven vote centers did have wait times of up to 115 minutes, but the county's online posting system showed nearby voting centers with waits ranging from a minute to 25 minutes.

MAGA COMPLAINT: Because of printer problems, voters were told to put their ballots into a box, to be taken downtown to be counted, but nobody knows if those ballots were counted.

IN FACT: The county has long used secure ballot boxes to collect ballots that cannot be read by the tabulators. They are then taken downtown and counted.

This year, printers at 43 vote centers experienced problems on Election Day. Voters were advised by poll workers to deposit their ballots into those secure “Door 3” ballot boxes. Sadly, some voters, groomed for two years not to trust elections officials, declined to do so.

“Despite this being a legal, secure, and reliable voting option, many high profile and influential individuals instructed voters to not deposit their ballots in Door 3,” the county reported.

Individuals like state GOP Chairwoman Kelli Ward, who shortly after the polls opened warned, “DO NOT PUT YOUR BALLOT IN ‘BOX 3’ OR ‘DRAWER 3'."

And Turning Point USA's Charlie Kirk, who warned: “DO NOT PUT YOUR BALLOT IN BOX 3 TO BE ‘TABULATED DOWNTOWN’."

In the end, 16,724 voters opted to drop their ballots into the Door 3 box, either due to printer problems or because they used ballpoint pens the tabulators were unable to read rather than the markers provided at the vote centers.

The county says every one of those votes was counted.

MAGA COMPLAINT: Potentially thousands of voters left one polling place due to printer issues and went to another but were not allowed to vote.

IN FACT: The county reports that 206 voters checked in at one voting center then left to cast their ballots at a second location. Of those, 84 had properly checked out of the first voting center and were given standard ballots. The remaining 122 voters – the ones who didn’t check out of their first polling place – were given provisional ballots. Of those 122, 109 were checked, to ensure they hadn’t already voted, and then counted.

Bottom line: 193 of those 206 ballots counted.​

 

[wing2000]

Arizona law requires that a lawsuit contending an election is not to be filed until after certification. The state of Arizona is expected to certify around December 5th or 6th.

Where is the evidence for the "tens of thousands of people" who did not vote? You made that statement...where is your evidence?

 

[FreeinChrist]

Where is the evidence for the "tens of thousands of people" who did not vote? You made that statement...where is your evidence?

I copied your post in my post above. Do you want me to link to your post?

 

[Valletta]

Where is the evidence for the "tens of thousands of people" who did not vote? You made that statement...where is your evidence?

As I said, how many tens of thousands we don't know. I expect the lawsuit will be filed soon asking the court order Maricopa County to cooperate and turn over the data. It's is the public's data and there is no valid reason to continue to hold it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

As I said, how many tens of thousands we don't know. I expect the lawsuit will be filed soon asking the court order Maricopa County to cooperate and turn over the data. It's is the public's data and there is no valid reason to continue to hold it.

So just innuendo and unsupported as fact. They could have gone to a different location or could have come back later after the issue was fixed. If they cared about the vote so little that they could not wait two hours and did not vote at all, that is on them.

I don't see why Maricopa tax payers would have to pay even more for the election than they have. The 2020 cyber ninja debacle cost plenty. Republicans don't see to care about it.

 

[Valletta]

So just innuendo and unsupported as fact. They could have gone to a different location or could have come back later after the issue was fixed. If they cared about the vote so little that they could not wait two hours and did not vote at all, that is on them.

I don't see why Maricopa tax payers would have to pay even more for the election than they have. The 2020 cyber ninja debacle cost plenty. Republicans don't see to care about it.

Had there been a small number as the picture you are trying to paint, small enough to not make a difference in the election results, why would Maricopa County withhold data? It's like the last presidential election in Georgia, officials could have just told the truth at the beginning if there was nothing to hide. Transparency is key to a responsible government.

 

[FreeinChrist]

How are they withholding information?

How can they say who started in line and then left before voting?