Maricopa County Leaders call on AZ Senate to stop sham investigation of 2020 election

[Valletta]

You misspelled a word. It is a "fraudit". Have you not read the articles about it? They have found nothing. They have had crazy conspiracy ideas shot down and they have repeatedly demonstrated that due to their incompetence that they do not know how to properly run an audit.

Find a reliable source that supports your claims and then you might have "disturbing information". If all you can find are right wing wacko sites that support this you have nothing.

Please cite "the articles about it" you are referring to. There is an article about the reaction to the Arizona audit in Wisconsin:
Wisconsin Lawmaker Calls for ‘Full Forensic Audit’ After Georgia, Arizona Updates Wisconsin Lawmaker Calls for 'Full Forensic Audit' After Georgia, Arizona Updates

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why right in your link it says:
Do You Think Voters Should Be Required To Show Government-Issued Photo Identification Whenever They Vote?

• Should
• Should not
• Unsure

It says 79% polled said "should."

I know that it says that. But it appears that people value fairness even more. You are making the error of cherry picking the article. I never denier or even implied that that was not in the artilce.

The problem is that most people are relatively unaware when it comes to this issue. They do not know why the Republicans are trying to pass these immoral laws. If the "cure" is worse than the disease then the cure needs to be tossed. The harm caused by these laws will be greater than any harm that they are trying to fix.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please cite "the articles about it" you are referring to. There is an article about the reaction to the Arizona audit in Wisconsin:
Wisconsin Lawmaker Calls for ‘Full Forensic Audit’ After Georgia, Arizona Updates Wisconsin Lawmaker Calls for 'Full Forensic Audit' After Georgia, Arizona Updates

You need to support your claims first. You just used another unreliable source. When you find real sources then we can have a discussion.

 

[Valletta]

I know that it says that. But it appears that people value fairness even more. You are making the error of cherry picking the article. I never denier or even implied that that was not in the artilce.

The problem is that most people are relatively unaware when it comes to this issue. They do not know why the Republicans are trying to pass these immoral laws. If the "cure" is worse than the disease then the cure needs to be tossed. The harm caused by these laws will be greater than any harm that they are trying to fix.

I accurately cited the NPR poll, that's your real problem with it. As to what people happen to rank as most important, which do you think is more important--stopping global warming or helping the poor and homeless? It's just like the question about election access and election integrity. Having cameras recording the counting process is not "immoral." Having people who vote identify themselves is not immoral. Things that are immoral are those that do great harm to people, like encouraging people to cross the border knowing that women will be raped and children trafficked. Killing a defenseless human being is immoral.

 

[Valletta]

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[Subduction Zone]

I accurately cited the NPR poll, that's your real problem with it. As to what people happen to rank as most important, which do you think is more important--stopping global warming or helping the poor and homeless? It's just like the question about election access and election integrity. Having cameras recording the counting process is not "immoral." Having people who vote identify themselves is not immoral. Things that are immoral are those that do great harm to people, like encouraging people to cross the border knowing that women will be raped and children trafficked. Killing a defenseless human being is immoral.

Sorry, but you didn't. You c cherry picked it. That is not accurate. I pointed out that it was not as simple as that.

And the Democrats do not advocate any of the immoral activities that you mentioned at the end of your post. You appear to be very confused.

And putting an undue pressure on people can be immoral. The poll you mentioned showed that most people would understand that. You should be trying to learn why your position is immoral.

 

[wing2000]

She may be highly respected, but that does not mean she knows our Constitution. There simply is not a Constitutional path for such a thing. No, perhaps conspiracy theorists think they "know better," but indeed the audit is to establish election integrity for future elections. Read the Constitution.

....the "audit" would not be happening if not for Trump and his AZ Senate lackeys.

Trump lost. He can't accept it. And neither can you. Get over it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots." Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.

 

[Whyayeman]

May 17th. The Washington Post announced that the Maricopa County Republican leaders have called for an
investigation.

July 17th. We are still waiting foe a result.

Can it really take 60 days? The delay is going from suspicious to laughable, via incredible. I can't help feeling that if something had been found to support the belief that significant irregularities had been found we would have heard about them by now.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

May 17th. The Washington Post announced that the Maricopa County Republican leaders have called for an
investigation.

July 17th. We are still waiting foe a result.

Can it really take 60 days? The delay is going from suspicious to laughable, via incredible. I can't help feeling that if something had been found to support the belief that significant irregularities had been found we would have heard about them by now.

Hey, it's taken 6 years for the IRS to finish Trump's audit so he can release his taxes like he promised.

 

[Subduction Zone]

May 17th. The Washington Post announced that the Maricopa County Republican leaders have called for an
investigation.

July 17th. We are still waiting foe a result.

Can it really take 60 days? The delay is going from suspicious to laughable, via incredible. I can't help feeling that if something had been found to support the belief that significant irregularities had been found we would have heard about them by now.

Of course the audit is not done yet! The people that cheated were amazingly sneaky. As proof of that we have the example of the 18,000 votes taken off the ballot as mentioned in post #328. It would have been easy to catch the perpetrators if they had done this in Arizona. But no, they did it in Idaho:

Nearly 18,000 people in Ada County removed from voter rolls | ktvb.com

That was a masterful piece of misdirection.

The audit is not over until they find proof of a crime . . . So some time in 2024 at best.

 

[wing2000]

Keep repeating a lie enough....
"A new poll shows that 62% of Arizona Republican voters believe the Senate’s election audit will show that Donald Trump really won the election in Arizona.
More than six out of 10 Republicans.
And 27% of them actually believe Trump will be reinstated.

....

"66% of Arizona voters polled say there is no credible evidence of widespread fraud that would have changed the 2020 election results. Put another way, Arizona voters, by a nearly 2-1 margin, discount all the crazy conspiracy talk.
That includes a whopping 85% of Democrats and 76% of those all-important independent voters...

The Arizona Republic

 

[Subduction Zone]

Keep repeating a lie enough....
"A new poll shows that 62% of Arizona Republican voters believe the Senate’s election audit will show that Donald Trump really won the election in Arizona.
More than six out of 10 Republicans.
And 27% of them actually believe Trump will be reinstated.

....

"66% of Arizona voters polled say there is no credible evidence of widespread fraud that would have changed the 2020 election results. Put another way, Arizona voters, by a nearly 2-1 margin, discount all the crazy conspiracy talk.
That includes a whopping 85% of Democrats and 76% of those all-important independent voters...

The Arizona Republic

I cannot read the source, but quoting it and doing a Google search led to this article:

AP FACT CHECK: Trump makes false claims about Arizona audit

"Former President Donald Trump issued three statements in two days falsely claiming that voting fraud and irregularities cost him Arizona’s electoral votes."

Details in the article.

 

[wing2000]

I cannot read the source, but quoting it and doing a Google search led to this article:

AP FACT CHECK: Trump makes false claims about Arizona audit

"Former President Donald Trump issued three statements in two days falsely claiming that voting fraud and irregularities cost him Arizona’s electoral votes."

Details in the article.

Link to the referenced poll
https://f.hubspotusercontent40.net/...Znw&utm_content=141346213&utm_source=hs_email

 

[KCfromNC]

Of course the audit is not done yet! The people that cheated were amazingly sneaky. As proof of that we have the example of the 18,000 votes taken off the ballot as mentioned in post #328. It would have been easy to catch the perpetrators if they had done this in Arizona. But no, they did it in Idaho:

Nearly 18,000 people in Ada County removed from voter rolls | ktvb.com

That was a masterful piece of misdirection.

I mean, can we really blame the auditors if the fraud they know happened in AZ was actually an unrelated non-issue in a totally different state? That does nothing but vindicate their preconceived notions of what they were supposed to find ... reality's to blame for not coming through for them.

 

[Whyayeman]

July 27th.

Another ten days have passed without a word.

 

[Whyayeman]

From the Washington post today:

Arizona’s GOP-backed ballot review has raised more than $5.7 million in private donations, organizers say.

Maricopa County ballots cast in the 2020 general election are examined and recounted by contractors working for the Florida-based company Cyber Ninjas at Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix on May 6. (Matt York/AP)
By Rosalind S. Helderman

A private contractor conducting a Republican-commissioned review of 2020 presidential ballots in Arizona’s largest county announced late Wednesday that it has collected more than $5.7 million in private donations to fund the process.

The controversial ballot review, which included a hand recount of Maricopa County’s nearly 2.1 million ballots and a review of ballot tabulating machines, has been underway since April. It was ordered by the state’s Republican-led Senate, which agreed to spend $150,000 in taxpayer money to fund the audit. But the Senate allowed Cyber Ninjas, a Florida-based firm hired to lead the process, to collect donations as well.

It has been clear for months that the lengthy ballot review, which was conducted by dozens of workers, some working nearly round-the-clock, was being largely financed by allies of former president Donald Trump. The newly released figures put that fact in sharp relief: More than 97 percent of the audit’s costs have so far been shouldered by donations from five organizations led by people who have promoted the false claim that the election was stolen.

In a statement, Cyber Ninjas indicated that $3.25 million came from the America Project, a group led by former Overstock chief executive Patrick Byrne.

...

In June, Byrne told The Washington Post that he had personally donated $500,000 to the Arizona effort and that his group was raising money from others, too. Byrne also produced a movie alleging massive fraud in the election that featured interviews with Doug Logan, the head of Cyber Ninjas.

Another $605,000 came from Voices and Votes, a group led by One America News host Christina Bobb. Bobb has used on-air appearances for the pro-Trump network to solicit donations for the group.

The Post has reported that Trump’s political PAC raised about $75 million in the first half of this year, using his false claims that the election was stolen to motivate donors, but has given no money to finance the Arizona ballot review.

The announcement from Cyber Ninjas came as Arizona Senate President Karen Fann announced Wednesday that the audit has concluded its public efforts — ballots will be returned Thursday to Maricopa County. The county’s Republican-led board of supervisors has been deeply critical of the effort.

Fann has said a final report of Cyber Ninjas’ findings is expected in August.

So now we know why Republicans have been pressing their preposterous line about fraud. It is all just to skim off more dollars donations for the party - or a section of it. Now, that is a fraud!

The Count is completed! Hurrah! Why wait to announce the result?

 

[essentialsaltes]

One of the Republican senators who supported the election investigation tweets her assessment:

“I wanted to review our election processes and see what, if anything, could be improved,” Ugenti-Rita wrote on Twitter. “Sadly, it’s now become clear that the audit has been botched.”

 

[hedrick]

One of the Republican senators who supported the election investigation tweets her assessment:

“I wanted to review our election processes and see what, if anything, could be improved,” Ugenti-Rita wrote on Twitter. “Sadly, it’s now become clear that the audit has been botched.”

I think this is disingenuous. If the only motivation was to get at the truth, it's hard to understand why someone would support an audit by a company without the qualifications to do an audit, and with a head that has been a participant in selling the Big Lie. I'm glad Republicans are understanding that their effort has failed, but I don't think that should protect them from responsibility for making the attempt.

 

[Hank77]

One of the Republican senators who supported the election investigation tweets her assessment:

“I wanted to review our election processes and see what, if anything, could be improved,” Ugenti-Rita wrote on Twitter. “Sadly, it’s now become clear that the audit has been botched.”

This was new information to me. The people running this audit have no shame.

Days later, a former Republican state lawmaker who lost his reelection bid — and who would have been a Trump elector to the Electoral College had Trump won — was among the workers counting ballots.