Man Stabbed Over Chicken Sandwich

[tall73]

It was an elephant because everything was discussed other than the fact that there is access to lethal weapons. It has to be accounted for in an assessment of an incident like this. I'm struggling why you can't see the sense in this. If you have a very high rate of stabbings, you would want your state to examine means by which this issue can be addressed. So too with guns, though I acknowledge there is significant resistance to doing anything in regards to controlling guns - so be it - its your country.

In this instance, arent you concerned that someone is carrying a lethal weapon (not sure if its a knife or some pointed object) and willing to use it?

As for his demographics - fine - the RCA would examine it and if its an issue/trend account for it in an analysis.

What has you confused in all this:
The process? The weapon used in each case? Why your confusion?
Or is it you are wanting to push the agenda of "its ok to have a weapon." if that's your point then - OK - Got it - You support carrying a weapon.

I was wanting to see if your RCA was conducted the same way in each thread, and if it led to the same conclusions.

I can see how dynamics of customer interaction during large marketing campaigns can play a role. For instance, Walmart adjusted is Black Friday methods after some customers were trampled to death by the crowds.

Similarly, line dynamics could be something to look at. It is low hanging fruit.

But to me the big question is what makes a chicken sandwich line cut a death penalty offense in someone's mind? That seems to be the harder puzzle, and the root causes could be quite a bit to untangle. We see many long lines with no stabbings throughout society.

As to weapons, I don't carry one. I would rather be killed than take a life. I do however understand those who wish to defend themselves. I see people often apply different logic to different weapons. I don't see the weapons as the key issue. We have many murders using only hands, feet, etc. in the US. There is an underlying mentality that leads someone to that kind of violence.

 

[Zoii]

Can you clarify. Do you mean that lines in various locations lead to injury due to anger that then wind up being treated in the ER? Or do you mean that long waits in the ER lead to anger within the confines of the ER?

I can only speak to the latter - As to the former, I've not tried to research it - but whats your guess on it?

In ED however, people can get highly aggressive when waiting what they perceive to be an excessive period.

 

[dzheremi]

Huh. I guess it's not such a bad thing that I missed out on it again.

 

[Zoii]

But to me the big question is what makes a chicken sandwich line cut a death penalty offense in someone's mind? That seems to be the harder puzzle, and the root causes could be quite a bit to untangle. We see many long lines with no stabbings throughout society.

I can't answer your question, but its a good one. And yes the RCA would be very complex.

 

[tall73]

I can only speak to the latter - As to the former, I've not tried to research it - but whats your guess on it?

In ED however, people can get highly aggressive when waiting what they perceive to be an excessive period.

It would seem there are quite a bit higher stakes involved in having treatment in an ER, with threatening health issues, and obtaining a chicken sandwich.

There is the smallest overlap in the notion of long lines. But then again, there are far longer and more frustrating lines at the DMV. And you don't even get a good sandwich at the end of them. You pay fees and get more paperwork.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus is the answer to make sense of the senseless violence.
You can seek out men and or programs or new laws to solve the problem, but they will let you down. There is only hope in Jesus to make things new and to correct the problems of this world.

JESUS.

 

[tall73]

I can't answer your question, but its a good one. And yes the RCA would be very complex.

Do you believe in biological determinism? Do you think all mentalities can be understood by root cause?

 

[coffee4u]

I was wanting to see if your RCA was conducted the same way in each thread, and if it led to the same conclusions.

I can see how dynamics of customer interaction during large marketing campaigns can play a role. For instance, Walmart adjusted is Black Friday methods after some customers were trampled to death by the crowds.

Similarly, line dynamics could be something to look at. It is low hanging fruit.

But to me the big question is what makes a chicken sandwich line cut a death penalty offense in someone's mind? That seems to be the harder puzzle, and the root causes could be quite a bit to untangle. We see many long lines with no stabbings throughout society.

As to weapons, I don't carry one. I would rather be killed than take a life. I do however understand those who wish to defend themselves. I see people often apply different logic to different weapons. I don't see the weapons as the key issue. We have many murders using only hands, feet, etc. in the US. There is an underlying mentality that leads someone to that kind of violence.

Of course most anything can be used as a weapon, but guns are different because they distance the person from the deed, making that deed easier to carry out, especially with semi-automatics. To stab someone you have to be up close and personal and you can only normally stab one person at a time, unlike a mass shooting.

I don't think it has anything really to do with a chicken sandwich but that person's anger which was out of control. Normal people might sigh, foot tap and feel a bit peeved at waiting. If someone cuts in line they may feel angry and speak up, maybe even argue, but they don't go and use a weapon on the line cutter. Either the stabber had a mental disorder, knew and had a history with the line cutter or their life is such that this kind of behaviour is seen as a normal response. I am guessing it was 3 or 2 and 3.

 

[tall73]

Of course most anything can be used as a weapon, but guns are different because they distance the person from the deed, making that deed easier to carry out, especially with semi-automatics. To stab someone you have to be up close and personal and you can only normally stab one person at a time, unlike a mass shooting.

Guns can be more efficient. On the other hand, arson fires, bombs, vehicle attacks, etc. can be more efficient yet for mass killings. And even knives have been used in mass killings. But in these cases of anger it seems any weapon will do, or often no weapon at all.

I don't think it has anything really to do with a chicken sandwich but that person's anger which was out of control. Normal people might sigh, foot tap and feel a bit peeved at waiting. If someone cuts in line they may feel angry and speak up, maybe even argue, but they don't go and use a weapon on the line cutter. Either the stabber had a mental disorder, knew and had a history with the line cutter or their life is such that this kind of behaviour is seen as a normal response. I am guessing it was 3 or 2 and 3.

I agree it was anger. The story indicated they didn't think there was a history between the two.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Man stabbed to death after argument over Popeyes chicken sandwich



Stabbed to death...over cutting in line for a chicken sandwich.

People make mistakes. No need to kill them. If that was the case, I could have stabbed a pregnant women, that cut in front of me a subway. ​

On the other hand, I've heard Popeye's is really popular in some circles.

They have them in southern CA, I hope to buy my turkey from there, for Thanksgiving . My dad suggested it. I hate to cook. So I better call them soon.

 

[Zoii]

Do you believe in biological determinism? Do you think all mentalities can be understood by root cause?

I think you have the wrong idea of an RCA.

An RCA identifies why something happened through investigation. Its purpose isnt research. It uses the research.

I'll try and give a basic example. Ive never heard this guy myself but you may know him - There was a singer called John Denver. He was quite a brilliant pilot apparently. he died in a plane crash.

This is a long story but I'll try to be super-brief
he died because of human behaviours - he just bought a new plane - it was quite a twitchy plane in that it was very sensitive to the controls - took some getting used to.

When you fly a long distance, you should always refuel before taking it out again. - The hanger caretaker allowed Denver to over-rule that decision - It has an extra tank and I'll change onto it if needed. A RECOGNIZED SAFETY STANDARD OVER-RULED Why did that occur

In the air one tank empties, and Denver reaches to the other tank switch. Denver is not used to its twitchiness. His slight shift in body weight to reach for the switch send the plane into a dive. His unfamiliarity with this plane doesn't allow him to recover from the dive.

Lost of human behaviours here but one of the lessons learnt thats now a rigid standard is around mandatory re-fuelling (apparently I'm not a flying person)

Long answer I know - just trying to provide an insight

 

[Ana the Ist]

PG County, man

Is Prince George County pretty rough?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Is Prince George County pretty rough?

That’s the reputation. idk that I’ve actually been there.

 

[tall73]

I think you have the wrong idea of an RCA.

An RCA identifies why something happened through investigation. Its purpose isnt research. It uses the research.

I'll try and give a basic example. Ive never heard this guy myself but you may know him - There was a singer called John Denver. He was quite a brilliant pilot apparently. he died in a plane crash.

This is a long story but I'll try to be super-brief
he died because of human behaviours - he just bought a new plane - it was quite a twitchy plane in that it was very sensitive to the controls - took some getting used to.

When you fly a long distance, you should always refuel before taking it out again. - The hanger caretaker allowed Denver to over-rule that decision - It has an extra tank and I'll change onto it if needed. A RECOGNIZED SAFETY STANDARD OVER-RULED Why did that occur

In the air one tank empties, and Denver reaches to the other tank switch. Denver is not used to its twitchiness. His slight shift in body weight to reach for the switch send the plane into a dive. His unfamiliarity with this plane doesn't allow him to recover from the dive.

Lost of human behaviours here but one of the lessons learnt thats now a rigid standard is around mandatory re-fuelling (apparently I'm not a flying person)

Long answer I know - just trying to provide an insight

I am familiar with the incident and have watched a video on it. We can see what mistakes were made, and possibly even surmise some of the mentality that led to it.

However, where I am wondering how this applies here is how can you know what made a decision in someone's head in the case of the chicken sandwich killer? We know what happened. It is not clear we know why.

My question about determinism was to understand if you think people must act out of the sum of their experiences.

And while enforcing safety procedures is definitely something that can be acted on. I am wondering how you can know the mentality of a killer acting far outside the norm from just what happened. I would think it would involve talking to the person and those around him.

 

[Zoii]

I am familiar with the incident and have watched a video on it. We can see what mistakes were made, and possibly even surmise some of the mentality that led to it.

However, where I am wondering how this applies here is how can you know what made a decision in someone's head in the case of the chicken sandwich killer? We know what happened. It is not clear we know why.

My question about determinism was to understand if you think people must act out of the sum of their experiences.

And while enforcing safety procedures is definitely something that can be acted on. I am wondering how you can know the mentality of a killer acting far outside the norm from just what happened. I would think it would involve talking to the person and those around him.

No it's a very objective process and not speculative. So in this case if they know the mental gymnastics that occurred, then fine. But it's not objective to speculate. But they'd be interested in his background, history of violence, socio-economic status, and other events occurring there or in the area.

So while the objective assessment would note observed behaviours, it won't speculate re some of the details you refer to.

 

[FireDragon76]

I wouldn't be too hasty to blame the business manager. In certain subcultures, waiting in line is seen as an indignity.

 

[Chesterton]

I wouldn't be too hasty to blame the business manager. In certain subcultures, waiting in line is seen as an indignity.

Some subcultures suck worse than others. Which are you referring to?

 

[FireDragon76]

Some subcultures suck worse than others. Which are you referring to?

It's Prince George's county. That's a poor, urban area.

 

[FireDragon76]

Is Prince George County pretty rough?

Yes.

I lived near there in Maryland on a military base, briefly, before we moved to northern Virginia (Springfield). In the early 90's there were lots of killings there every night on TV. People were killed for all sorts of petty reasons, and sometimes even by stray bullets.

Needless to say, my parents weren't about to send me to the local schools there, even though technically I was suppossed to go, so they smuggled me into Fairfax County public schools while we looked for a home.