Man Purses

[CoachR64]

Rad, you are the one who keeps jumping in making little backhanded personal insults and remarks at towards me. I am not sure why you have a personal issue with me, or if you just have a stick up your butt, but get over it dude. If you got a personal problem with me, then we can deal with that. If you are just being a turd, we can flush that too.

Coach

 

[Thomas1984]

No, on a man. If a man does something considered to be feminine, he's breaking stereotypes, and breaking stereotypes is a very good thing.

I'm not what you'd call "worried", about men with bags, but the terms Masculine and Feminine aren't stereotypes in my understanding of the word.

"Stereotypes", are rarely accurate generalisations, whereas "Masculine" and "Feminine" are distinctive descriptions, with definitive meanings.

 

[CoachR64]

I agree with Thomas. When you are feminizing men, you are attempting to make them something other that what God created them to be.

Yes, the whole purse thing is just a silly rant. No, it doesn't make a man less of a man. Just a pet peeve of mine. Nothing more, nothing less.

My real issue is with trying to feminize men. I take big issue with that, and the metrosexual trend tip toes way too close to that line for my comfort.

I think it's funny how so many single women complain there are no good men out there, when they are trying to turn all the men into feminized creatures they can shop and do nails with. That's why you have girlfriends, ladies. Let men be men. If you need to do a pedicure and feel pretty, call up the girls. Then you can sit there and talk about your men and get all the feelings out. And when you do this, please do it at the salon during a major sporting event. We would appreciate it.

Coach

 

[Thomas1984]

I agree with Thomas. When you are feminizing men, you are attempting to make them something other that what God created them to be.

Yes, the whole purse thing is just a silly rant. No, it doesn't make a man less of a man. Just a pet peeve of mine. Nothing more, nothing less.

My real issue is with trying to feminize men. I take big issue with that, and the metrosexual trend tip toes way too close to that line for my comfort.

I think it's funny how so many single women complain there are no good men out there, when they are trying to turn all the men into feminized creatures they can shop and do nails with. That's why you have girlfriends, ladies. Let men be men. If you need to do a pedicure and feel pretty, call up the girls. Then you can sit there and talk about your men and get all the feelings out. And when you do this, please do it at the salon during a major sporting event. We would appreciate it.

Coach

Salon for girls, Saloon for men.

I can relate to the pet peeve aspect, there are quite a few things that can get my goat sometimes. The one main thing that bothers me about any trend or lifestyle, is when people embrace it, and act like it's the only way to live; like they've got something to prove by defining their lives via outer appearance and material objects.

That's my pet peeve.

 

[Allegory]

Salon for girls, Saloon for men.

I can relate to the pet peeve aspect, there are quite a few things that can get my goat sometimes. The one main thing that bothers me about any trend or lifestyle, is when people embrace it, and act like it's the only way to live; like they've got something to prove by defining their lives via outer appearance and material objects.

That's my pet peeve.

I'm not sure if you're trying to be ironic or if you're genuinely confused about what you just said...

 

[Thomas1984]

I'm not sure if you're trying to be ironic or if you're genuinely confused about what you just said...

I'm not sure if you're trying to be moronic or if you're just a know-it-all.

I'm not at all confused.

 

[Tamara224]

Salon for girls, Saloon for men.

I can relate to the pet peeve aspect, there are quite a few things that can get my goat sometimes. The one main thing that bothers me about any trend or lifestyle, is when people embrace it, and act like it's the only way to live; like they've got something to prove by defining their lives via outer appearance and material objects.

That's my pet peeve.

 

[BoazB]

Salon for girls, Saloon for men.

I can relate to the pet peeve aspect, there are quite a few things that can get my goat sometimes. The one main thing that bothers me about any trend or lifestyle, is when people embrace it, and act like it's the only way to live; like they've got something to prove by defining their lives via outer appearance and material objects.

That's my pet peeve.

 

[Allegory]

I'm not sure if you're trying to be moronic or if you're just a know-it-all.

I'm not at all confused.

You said this

The one main thing that bothers me about any trend or lifestyle, is when people embrace it, and act like it's the only way to live; like they've got something to prove by defining their lives via outer appearance and material objects.

And you guys are speaking out against people using what you call "man purses" because they are effeminate or whatever. So think about what you just said, and then think about what this thread is about and what your stance is on it. I think you are a little confused.

To put it clearly: You are telling people how they should live their lives, as if your way is the only way a "man" should appear. This is exactly what you are saying is one of your pet peeves.

 

[Thomas1984]

You said this...
...And you guys are speaking out against people using what you call "man purses" because they are effeminate or whatever. So think about what you just said, and then think about what this thread is about and what your stance is on it. I think you are a little confused.

To put it clearly: You are telling people how they should live their lives, as if your way is the only way a "man" should appear. This is exactly what you are saying is one of your pet peeves.

You've kinda missed what I was saying, but that's not a problem, I'm happy to elaborate.

In case you missed it earlier, I said this:

I'm not what you'd call "worried", about men with bags, but the terms Masculine and Feminine aren't stereotypes in my understanding of the word.

"Stereotypes", are rarely accurate generalisations, whereas "Masculine" and "Feminine" are distinctive descriptions, with definitive meanings.

I'm not directly offended or effected by objects, in this case, a "man purse". What I was saying, is that I am concerned by the deeper subject of people who try and define their lives through material belongings.

In case you're going to ask me why I think that's a really bad idea, well, material wealth can be fleeting, and it doesn't really provide the same sense of security or love, that God can. That's the bottom line really, but your profile says you're an Atheist/Agnostic, so we're bound to disagree about worldly subjects.

I hope this helps to shed some light on where I was coming from.

 

[deliciousBass]

You've kinda missed what I was saying, but that's not a problem, I'm happy to elaborate.

Yeah, I was going to say that it sounds like he read into your words and picked them apart too much and didn't see the spirit of what you were trying to say. Almost like arguing over semantics... you're not against people living their lives, you just don't want them to define themselves by their material possessions and outer appearance. And that's not limited to metrosexuals or men who carry murses although in this context, it would be easy to misconstrue it as that.

In case you're going to ask me why I think that's a really bad idea, well, material wealth can be fleeting, and it doesn't really provide the same sense of security or love, that God can.

Thomas.

 

[ryanb6]

This is what feminism is doing
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Transcripts/90-99

 

[Allegory]

Yeah I did miss your earlier posts, I tried going back to find some but couldn't so ended up basing most of my opinion on Coach's agreement with you (which turned out to be the wrong way for me to go about it)

I will agree with you that defining your life through materialism is rather shallow, but I don't think people should be told not to. Even by looking at someone who is well-dressed and stylish and saying "well I find people who define themselves through materialism to be shallow and have a gaping hole where the love of God should be" you, yourself, are defining them through materialism. They are not defining themselves, you are.

I will agree that there are a lot of people who need to learn that there's more to life, but there are a lot of people who keep up with fashion or use certain bags or whatever for reasons that aren't just based on materialism.

 

[Tamara224]

Yeah, I was going to say that it sounds like he read into your words and picked them apart too much and didn't see the spirit of what you were trying to say. Almost like arguing over semantics... you're not against people living their lives, you just don't want them to define themselves by their material possessions and outer appearance. And that's not limited to metrosexuals or men who carry murses although in this context, it would be easy to misconstrue it as that.

Well, the thing about what Thomas said is that it cuts both ways.

People who wear murses/purses or whatever other "metrosexual" stuff may be defining themselves by their material possessions and outer appearance.

But the same can be said for people who make a big deal of dressing "masculine"... (or "feminine", or even stuff like punk, goth, professional, etc).

Both might be attempting to define themselves by outward appearance.

And both probably have a tendency to define others by outward appearance as well. And that's *my* pet peeve.

 

[Tamara224]

This is what feminism is doing
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Transcripts/90-99

 

[deliciousBass]

Well, the thing about what Thomas said is that it cuts both ways.

People who wear murses/purses or whatever other "metrosexual" stuff may be defining themselves by their material possessions and outer appearance.

But the same can be said for people who make a big deal of dressing "masculine"... (or "feminine", or even stuff like punk, goth, professional, etc).

Both might be attempting to define themselves by outward appearance.

Yeah, I can see that... reminds me of Matthew 7:1-Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

And both probably have a tendency to define others by outward appearance as well. And that's *my* pet peeve.

Oooooo... I know I don't want to peeve Tamara

 

[ryanb6]

does that offend you?

 

[Allegory]

does that offend you?

It's not really as offensive as it is idiotic.

 

[ryanb6]

It's not really as offensive as it is idiotic.

care to explain because i know you haven't read it all?

 

[ryanb6]

care to explain because i know you haven't read it all?

i disagree but have i called you and idiot.