Man is Polluting Science

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That's exactly my point: you'd look for atheists on a Christian forum in order to preach to them, even though you know they are likely to be just as receptive to your preaching here as they would be there.

That is illogical. One can only assume that an atheist who takes the time to participate on a christian forum would be more receptive to "preaching". Why else would they come here as opposed to going to a secular forum? The only other logical assumption is that an atheist would come here specifically to troll, attack, and insult Christians for entertainment or agenda. Which one are you? Given your track record of being rather "unreceptive" to anything Christian, any reasonable, logical person can only assume the later. Your behavior is no different than busting into a Christian's home just to insult them and tell them how stupid their religion is.

This is not about censorship, it's about recognizing and remembering where you are....a Christian Forum! We are not going anywhere....period. We will not hold back the truth of the word of God....period. We will preach, worship, and give God all the glory without any hesitation...period. If this bothers you, remember...afterall...you are an atheist on a Christian forum.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You realize you completely missed his point. You are an atheist guest in a science thread on a Christian forum. He stated he was respectful in your turf. So my question is, why can't you be respectful in ours?

We are "respectful" in that we follow the rules of the forum and do not engage in flaming, goading, blasphemy, or other sitewide violations. Anything more would be special treatment.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You realize you completely missed his point. You are an atheist guest in a science thread on a Christian forum. He stated he was respectful in your turf. So my question is, why can't you be respectful in ours?

This is my turf. You are as much a guest here as I am.

If you didn't want to hear the gospel or a Christian perspective on scientific and philosophical issues, then why are you here other than to instigate?

To discuss religion, science, and society, in accordance with the forum's Statement of Purpose? Preaching is not discussion. It's preaching.

Why are you here? What is your purpose if it isn't to hear a Christian perspective? What is your agenda given your record of previous replies and lack of mutual respect therein?

It's ironic that you speak of a lack of mutual respect while questioning my motives for posting here and insinuating that I don't belong or that my contributions count for less because I am no longer a Christian. So much for respect.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That is illogical. One can only assume that an atheist who takes the time to participate on a christian forum would be more receptive to "preaching". Why else would they come here as opposed to going to a secular forum? The only other logical assumption is that an atheist would come here specifically to troll, attack, and insult Christians for entertainment or agenda. Which one are you? Given your track record of being rather "unreceptive" to anything Christian, any reasonable, logical person can only assume the later. Your behavior is no different than busting into a Christian's home just to insult them and tell them how stupid their religion is.

It's interesting how some Christians demand respect from atheists while having little respect for atheists. I've already made clear why I continue to post here, even though I am no longer a Christian. I'm not inclined to repeat myself. (As an aside, soon, I will no longer be posting here anyway).

This is not about censorship, it's about recognizing and remembering where you are....a Christian Forum! We are not going anywhere....period. We will not hold back the truth of the word of God....period. We will preach, worship, and give God all the glory without any hesitation...period. If this bothers you, remember...afterall...you are an atheist on a Christian forum.

A bad argument is a bad argument. We'll call it out as such, regardless of the forum it's presented on.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That is illogical. One can only assume that an atheist who takes the time to participate on a christian forum would be more receptive to "preaching". Why else would they come here as opposed to going to a secular forum? The only other logical assumption is that an atheist would come here specifically to troll, attack, and insult Christians for entertainment or agenda. Which one are you? Given your track record of being rather "unreceptive" to anything Christian, any reasonable, logical person can only assume the later. Your behavior is no different than busting into a Christian's home just to insult them and tell them how stupid their religion is.

If I am a troll, then at >21000 posts, I am a very successful troll indeed.

 

[WinterAngel]

We are "respectful" in that we follow the rules of the forum and do not engage in flaming, goading, blasphemy, or other sitewide violations. Anything more would be special treatment.

Can you honestly answer as to why you, as an atheist, choose to come to a Christian Forum as opposed to a secular alternative? What do you hope to accomplish or gain on a Christian Forum that cannot be satisfied at a secular alternative?

I'm not trying to be rude, insulting, or accusatory. This is a genuine question I have because I would like to help you. The responses of not just yourself but the other atheists on this forum in general have been sending mixed messages as to your purpose/motives.

Honestly, are you really here to learn about the Christian perspectives on topics discussed on this forum?

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[Archaeopteryx]

Can you honestly answer as to why you, as an atheist, choose to come to a Christian Forum as opposed to a secular alternative? What do you hope to accomplish or gain on a Christian Forum that cannot be satisfied at a secular alternative?

I'm not trying to be rude, insulting, or accusatory. This is a genuine question I have because I would like to help you. The responses of not just yourself but the other atheists on this forum in general have been sending mixed messages as to your purpose/motives.

Honestly, are you really here to learn about the Christian perspectives on topics discussed on this forum?

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The assumption in your question is that we don't already know about "Christian perspectives" on the topics being discussed. Some of us - perhaps most of us - were once Christians. Some of us even joined CF as Christians, but later became atheists. I know you don't intend your question to come across as accusatory, but consider how often this question is asked of us by Christians who, like you, are puzzled by our presence here.

 

[amariselle]

Can you honestly answer as to why you, as an atheist, choose to come to a Christian Forum as opposed to a secular alternative? What do you hope to accomplish or gain on a Christian Forum that cannot be satisfied at a secular alternative?

I'm not trying to be rude, insulting, or accusatory. This is a genuine question I have because I would like to help you. The responses of not just yourself but the other atheists on this forum in general have been sending mixed messages as to your purpose/motives.

Honestly, are you really here to learn about the Christian perspectives on topics discussed on this forum?

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He already indicated why he's here:

At times, it does get tiring -- but all it takes for creationists to win is for good people to do nothing.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Can you honestly answer as to why you, as an atheist, choose to come to a Christian Forum as opposed to a secular alternative? What do you hope to accomplish or gain on a Christian Forum that cannot be satisfied at a secular alternative?

Of course I can -- I seek debate to keep my mind sharp; mental exercise, don't you know... to stay where people agree with me would kind of defeat the purpose of that, wouldn't it? Proverbs 27:17, and all that.

Also, as an agnostic (not an Atheist, but I'll let you slide on that one) I have a vested interest in my country and culture, and as Christians tend to have a loud (some might argue disproportionate) voice in which direction that country and culture go, I really should get to know more about what they think and why they think it.

I'm not trying to be rude, insulting, or accusatory. This is a genuine question I have because I would like to help you. The responses of not just yourself but the other atheists on this forum in general have been sending mixed messages as to your purpose/motives.

As much as I appreciate your offer to "help me" (with what, remains to be seen), I think I can navigate around here quite well, thank you.

Honestly, are you really here to learn about the Christian perspectives on topics discussed on this forum?

As a matter of fact, I am.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

He already indicated why he's here:

I thought you were done with this thread?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I thought you were done with this thread?

Now now... they say they're going to stamp off in a huff, but come back to announce it again when they realize nobody cared -- or noticed -- the first time.

 

[amariselle]

I thought you were done with this thread?

Another Christian asked an honest question about the motives of some non-Christians for being here.

That motive has caused many many threads to be de-railed, because Evolutionists are trying to "win" a battle against Creationists.

And this takes absolute precedence, it would seem, over actually discussing the specific topic of a thread.

That is why we always see these discussions turn into the same old back and forth argument.

So, yes, I am actually done with the argument here. But I will never be done with standing for truth, supporting my brothers and sisters in Christ and standing for the hope I have in my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Blessings,

~Amariselle

 

[WinterAngel]

This is my turf. You are as much a guest here as I am.

To discuss religion, science, and society, in accordance with the forum's Statement of Purpose? Preaching is not discussion. It's preaching.

It's ironic that you speak of a lack of mutual respect while questioning my motives for posting here and insinuating that I don't belong or that my contributions count for less because I am no longer a Christian. So much for respect.

Forgive me, I am not trying to be rude, insulting, or accusatory. It is difficult to not misinterpret the tone or context of a conversation in written format such as text, email, or forum. As a Christian Counselor, I was being very respectful and asked a genuine question. I genuinely would like to know how to best assist you as a guest on a Christian forum. This is Christian turf, not secular. Please keep that in mind.

Also, please remember, fellow Christians have asked to open up this CF to atheists in order to share the Gospel. Please do not become offended when we give you Biblical answers to the questions you pose. That is our commission, or purpose, as a Christian.

Pardon me if I offend you by asking this again, (that is not my intention). What does a Christian forum offer that cannot be provided at a secular alternative?

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[Archaeopteryx]

Another Christian asked an honest question about the motives of some non-Christians for being here.

How often are you asked about your motives for being here?

That motive has caused many many threads to be de-railed, because Evolutionists are trying to "win" a battle against Creationists.

And this takes absolute precedence, it would seem, over actually discussing the specific topic of a thread.

More accurately, Christians derail threads by either insinuating or accusing atheists of having ulterior motives for posting here. Atheists aren't to blame for threads being derailed by Christians making baseless accusations against them.

So, yes, I am actually done with the argument here. But I will never be done with standing for truth, supporting my brothers and sisters in Christ and standing for the hope I have in my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

In effect, you are done with the substantive discussion then.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

If I am a troll, then at >21000 posts, I am a very successful troll indeed.

Your right, that would not make you a troll. That would make you a very dedicated, anti-christian atheist activist with an agenda.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Forgive me, I am not trying to be rude, insulting, or accusatory. It is difficult to not misinterpret the tone or context of a conversation in written format such as text, email, or forum. As a Christian Counselor, I was being very respectful and asked a genuine question. I genuinely would like to know how to best assist you as a guest on a Christian forum. This is Christian turf, not secular. Please keep that in mind.

Also, please remember, fellow Christians have asked to open up this CF to atheists in order to share the Gospel. Please do not become offended when we give you Biblical answers to the questions you pose. That is our commission, or purpose, as a Christian.

Pardon me if I offend you by asking this again, (that is not my intention). What does a Christian forum offer that cannot be provided at a secular alternative?

At present, I'm actually quite likely to leave CF permanently, so I may not be the best person to answer your question. However, I can tell you why I have posted here for so long, even after I deconverted in late 2011. CF is actually quite a good forum for discussing religion, science, and society. And that's what I'm interested in. There may be good secular alternatives, but I made somewhat of a home here.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Your right, that would not make you a troll. That would make you a very dedicated, anti-christian atheist activist with an agenda.

Are you suggesting that I lied when I first joined CF as a Christian in July 2007?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Are you suggesting that I lied when I first joined CF as a Christian in July 2007?

No, but your motives and intentions for remaining here is not very clear.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, but your motives and intentions for remaining here is not very clear.

As I said, not to worry, because I won't be remaining here. But this issue has been raised before (1, 2):

I was a Christian when I originally joined this site in July 2007. Here are some of my earliest posts (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). Even though I am no longer a Christian I still post here because the conversation is hardly ever dull.

I didn't join CF to discuss philosophy, at least not initially. I originally joined in 2007 to discuss my faith, then I became involved in discussions on politics and conspiracy theories, then I discovered the philosophy and science forums, and now I'm here. People participate on online forums for various reasons, and sometimes those reasons change over time, so why try to squeeze all those who identify as 'atheist' or 'agnostic' on CF into a box? There are Muslims and Buddhists on this site as well. Do you question their motivations for joining? Why should anyone's motivations be questioned if they openly identify their religious affiliation anyway? It's not as if we are feigning belief so as to join.

But even if you were right in saying that we are all here just to advance "godless ideals" (whatever that might mean), so what? Have a look at the Christian-Only sections of the site. There you'll find plenty of examples of Christians promoting their ideal version of Christianity and debating with those who disagree. Why aren't you suspicious of them? Or what of yourself? You are constantly posting quotations from the Urantia Book, so are you here only to promote the Book's values?

I don't think someone's mere presence on this site is enough to infer their reasons for being here. Even among Christians, the motivations are diverse. Some are here to discuss their faith and nothing else. Others are interested in political debate. Some are seeking help (or prayers) for a personal problem. Some may even be swapping cake recipes or discussing model airplane building. Does it even matter why they joined? They're here, now, having a conversation on a small corner of the internet. Tomorrow they may be elsewhere, on YouTube or reddit or StackOverflow or any of the other countless forums. If you spend all your time questioning why someone is here you're going to miss out on the conversation altogether, and that is, in my view, a considerable loss.

 

[Larniavc]

As I said, not to worry, because I won't be remaining here. But this issue has been raised before (1, 2):

I for one would be sorry if you left.