Man is Polluting Science

[amariselle]

Then we have observed the production of new kinds.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

Off topic, perhaps we can address this elsewhere sometime.

I will, however, read the links later. Because I like research, so thank you.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Species

Does that mean that if you saw evidence of one species becoming another through mutation and selection pressure, you'd believe that Darwinian evolution is true?

 

[amariselle]

Does that mean that if you saw evidence of one species becoming another through mutation and selection pressure, you'd believe that Darwinian evolution is true?

Again, off topic. Someone suggested earlier that this thread was getting so off topic, it should be reported. So, we should get back to the topic at hand.

Man is polluting science.

 

[RealityCheck01]

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A post of religious text is noting to do with the subject of this thread, Heissonear.

You should read Physical & Life Sciences Statement of Purpose. It does not mention anything about this section's purpose being to collect quotes from the Bible or peoples personal religious views or to discuss the existence of God (the latest derail).

It is looking like the derail's are getting so off topic the they should be reported.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Again, off topic. Someone suggested earlier that this thread was getting so off topic, it should be reported. So, we should get back to the topic at hand.

Man is polluting science.

The thread is getting interesting... who cares what "someone suggested earlier"?

 

[RealityCheck01]

Man is polluting science.

The title is wrong, amariselle. Science is not "pure" like a bottle of distilled water! Science is a process done by man. People are not perfect, as I noted before: Deniers exist. Ignorant people exist. Delusional people exist. Liars exist. That is the world we live in.

The scientific process includes mechanisms to minimize invalid or fraudulent science, e.g. colleagues test initial ideas, conference presentations test ideas in preparation, peer review can catch errors, experts read published literature, people try to replicate results.

 

[doubtingmerle]

What should I look for exactly? Everything points to Him.

Life is so beautiful when you realize it isn't the result of random chance.

Fossils, for instance. You wanted evidence that one kind changes to another. I gave you fossil evidence that species have changed. You ignore that evidence.

 

[doubtingmerle]

(Now we can get back on topic)

No. This thread is hopelessly lost with a mind of its own.

 

[bhsmte]

You have yet to meet Him. And think the same for others.

You have not experienced what is born of Spirit.

As mentioned to you before, a Christian who is born again meets Him. The eternal life is obvious to recognize.

"Makes obvious" is what occurs when He opens heaven. He demonstrates.

I was once without God in this world by upbringing and scientific learning.

Scientism vaporized when I was born again by the Holy Spirit. And the Bible came alive.

Now it's your turn.

He knows every step you have taken and how many rocks you kicked along concrete sidewalks.

It happens through belief.

The heavens stay locked through unbelief.

Belief verses unbelief.

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Pick which. It is your freewill.

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Cool story.

 

[bhsmte]

Yet here are atheist who are on a Christian forum who do not want to hear statements of Christian belief. If you don't want to hear Christians or accept statements of Christian belief, why even bother coming to a Christian forum? Why not go to to a secular science forum where you would not be bothered with Christian responses?

You can make all the statements and claims you like and we can point out, they ars not evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

Just open the link. Don't be scared. I have faith in you.[emoji4]

Explain it. If you can.

 

[bhsmte]

This is also a Christian forum but that apparently dosent matter either.

Are you looking for censorship on a public forum?

 

[bhsmte]

But this isn't a non-Christian only forum. So if you don't wish to listen to Christian responses, I suggest going to the thinking atheist forum. If Christian responses are becoming too much for you I can provide a link if you wish.

No one is complaining about who can post her except you.

 

[bhsmte]

You have yet to meet Him. And think the same for others.

You have not experienced what is born of Spirit.

As mentioned to you before, a Christian who is born again meets Him. The eternal life is obvious to recognize.

"Makes obvious" is what occurs when He opens heaven. He demonstrates.

I was once without God in this world by upbringing and scientific learning.

Scientism vaporized when I was born again by the Holy Spirit. And the Bible came alive.

Now it's your turn.

He knows every step you have taken and how many rocks you kicked along concrete sidewalks.

It happens through belief.

The heavens stay locked through unbelief.

Belief verses unbelief.

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Pick which. It is your freewill.

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I cant pretend to believe something i cant reconcile with reality. I dont roll that way.

You can believe it though.

 

[rjs330]

Intelligent design does not produce nested hierarchies. Only evolution produces nested hierarchies.



The real evidence is the nested hierarchies.



They are the same thing.



Then don't make us repeat the same evidence that you still refuse to address.

If you can't honestly deal with the evidence, it doesn't make it right for you to claim there isn't any evidence. All you are doing is sticking your head in the sand.



This discussion gets tiring because you can't explain why it isn't evidence.



No, they don't. They don't present evidence. I bet you won't present any evidence in your next post.

And why can't intelligent design produce nested hierarchies? If adaptation occurs that is evidence of intelligent design. As long as nested hierarchies don't produce one thing changing into something else then intelligent design is the best answer.

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[Archaeopteryx]

I wish that a lot of the Atheists here had the same respect for the Christians on a Christian forum as you have for the Atheists on an Atheist forum.

I wish that a lot of the Christians here had the same respect for atheists that they demand from atheists.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Ah, I see, you think it's okay for you to suggest YOU know the absolute truth, but it's not okay for ME to do so.

There's a word for that I think.

There's also a word for misattributing a position to your interlocutor. Loudmouth never said anything about absolute truth.

Why should I accept your "interpretations" over the word of God?

You mean your interpretation of the so-called "word of God"?

Why do you believe the stories in Darwin's book? (And those of other Evolutionists) Those are just "beliefs" too.

Supported by evidence. Crucial difference.

Absolutely. Yet, Evolutionists presuppose many things that have never been directly observed or reproduced through experimentation. (Like one kind of animal becoming another kind of animal)

This has already been addressed, so I don't know why you keep pretending that it hasn't.

I don't, I've addressed the "evidence", such as it is.

You declined to discuss it with Loudmouth.

My beliefs are, however, entirely relevant to me and to this discussion. When you ask me about my "evidence", expect an answer. It may not be an answer you like or agree with, but it's my answer just the same.

I think that sometimes people forget that they are on a Christian Forum.

What does being on a Christian forum have to do with it? Does it mean you get to present a sloppy case without expecting others to point out its sloppiness?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I actually haven't found any "evidence" that conflicts with the core beliefs I hold.

Is that surprising? After all, you implied that the tenets of your religion were not open to criticism. So presumably anything that conflicts with it would be quickly dismissed.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The Bible and, interestingly, much of science and empirical observation as well.

This earth and everything on it is far too intricate and complex not to have an Intelligent Designer. DNA alone is "proof" of that.

The very complexity and intricacy of even a single cell.

The complexity and intricacy of DNA.

Those two examples alone are enough. But everything in all the world points to Him.

Isn't an intelligent designer intricate and complex?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You're dodging the issue. It is not a mystery that Darwinian Evolutionists believe all life is the result of "natural processes."

I'm talking about things that we know the origin of, like human inventions.

We can see how and when they were made, and they always involve an intelligent inventor/designer/creator.

And NO human creation is nearly as complex as DNA or a single cell.

Reference the snow flake example from earlier.