Man is Polluting Science

[Derek Meyer]

God used men to write the Word with intent to remain invisible to fleshly men.

Fleshly men, hey? Aren't all men living quite fleshly? Some more fleshly than others; but all men are fleshly. Same as all women.

Unless you have your own private definition of the word 'fleshly'. Spooks being fleshly, maybe?

 

[rjs330]

Knew or believed?

Knew.

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[rjs330]

Fleshly men, hey? Aren't all men living quite fleshly? Some more fleshly than others; but all men are fleshly. Same as all women.

Unless you have your own private definition of the word 'fleshly'. Spooks being fleshly, maybe?

Sorry I don't understand your point. Are you mocking or clarifying or trying to say something else?

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[TLK Valentine]

Knew.

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So is it possible for someone o be inspired by God, and therefore infallible, and not know it?

 

[bhsmte]

I think what the OP has a problem with, is well evidenced science pollutes his personal religious beliefs.

 

[Jimmy D]

God used men to write the Word with intent to remain invisible to fleshly men.

Why?

 

[HitchSlap]

The Bible distinctively makes it clear man's nature is sinful.

Place something in man's hand and he will pervert it.

This is now happening with science.

I personally think science is doing fine. The problem, in my humble estimation, seems to happen when uneducated creationists (e.g. Hovinds, Hams, Juby, etc.) promulgate nonsense to unwitting people who implicitly accept they're being told the truth. This causes true harm to our society, IMHO.

 

[rjs330]

So is it possible for someone o be inspired by God, and therefore infallible, and not know it?

Like I said the Bible doesn't specify in every single book with the words that say, "I am writing this book under the inspiration of God and every word I write is infallible." But it does claim that the Law of God is right and pure. That the scriptures written by the,prophets was inspired by God as well as those written by the Apostles. Since God is infallible and pure and right therefore his word is the same.

This might help.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-infallible.html




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[Loudmouth]

I dont know for sure if they knew or not. I think there is some indications they knew they were instructed by God.

How could a fallible human know for sure that they were being instructed by a deity?

Times in the OT it was obvious and in the NT Paul really wrote that he was given the stuff from God and he indicated Peter wrote scripture. So there's some pretty good indicators they knew.

Humans are incapable of writing things they know not to be true?

 

[Loudmouth]

Like I said the Bible doesn't specify in every single book with the words that say, "I am writing this book under the inspiration of God and every word I write is infallible." But it does claim that the Law of God is right and pure. That the scriptures written by the,prophets was inspired by God as well as those written by the Apostles. Since God is infallible and pure and right therefore his word is the same.

But God didn't write those scriptures. Fallible humans did.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Like I said the Bible doesn't specify in every single book with the words that say, "I am writing this book under the inspiration of God and every word I write is infallible." But it does claim that the Law of God is right and pure. That the scriptures written by the,prophets was inspired by God as well as those written by the Apostles. Since God is infallible and pure and right therefore his word is the same.

This might help.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-infallible.html

It doesn't help, because it doesn't answer my question. Was my question too difficult?

Is it possible to be inspired but not know that one is being inspired?

 

[rjs330]

It doesn't help, because it doesn't answer my question. Was my question too difficult?

Is it possible to be inspired but not know that one is being inspired?

I don't know for sure. As far as I,know the Bible doesn't answer that question. It simply states that the writers were inspired. Like I,said there are indications that they knew, but there isn't any indication that they didn't know.

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[TLK Valentine]

I don't know for sure. As far as I,know the Bible doesn't answer that question. It simply states that the writers were inspired. Like I,said there are indications that they knew, but there isn't any indication that they didn't know.

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What would be an indication that they didn't know?

 

[rjs330]

What would be an indication that they didn't know?

I don't know. Perhaps if the bible said they didn't know. But as far as I know it doesn't say that. Even if it did it wouldn't make it any less inspired.

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[klutedavid]

We shouldn't be here: physics says so

The Standard Model of particle physics — which accurately describes all the particles and interactions
that make up our universe — says our universe shouldn't exist.

Or at least, the matter that makes up all the stuff in existence shouldn't be here. It should have been
wiped out by the matching antimatter that was created with it in the first second after the Big Bang.

(Science News, Bernie Hobbs, thanks to Dr Phillip Urquijo from the University of Melbourne, lead physicist
at the Belle II experiment)

So we know that we do not exist according to science, so what is the point of contention.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So is it possible for someone o be inspired by God, and therefore infallible, and not know it?

No. The whole idea of 'infallibility' came from somewhere else besides God or His Word. (from somewhere pagan and evil at its source, apparently)
Everything God did through men He said is subject to testing , He proved it or it could be proven, even all that the prophets said directly from Him - tested and proven true.

 

[rjs330]

What would be an indication that they didn't know?

Wow, we are going,way out in speculation land here. I'd rather stick with what we know and not what we don't. I can ride off into,seculation land of you really want to. As we are clear we are,guessing and speculating here.

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[TLK Valentine]

I don't know. Perhaps if the bible said they didn't know.

The same Bible that was written by the people we're talking about? That Bible?

But as far as I know it doesn't say that.

I suspect there were plenty of things the Bible's writers didn't know that they didn't mention...

Even if it did it wouldn't make it any less inspired.

So a person can be inspired and not know it... thats all I was asking.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No. The whole idea of 'infallibility' came from somewhere else besides God or His Word. (from somewhere pagan and evil at its source, apparently)
Everything God did through men He said is subject to testing , He proved or could need to be proven, even all that the prophets said directly from Him - tested and proven true.

So God should be tested?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So God should be tested?

The posting question was about men, not about God. (save for another thread).
Like the TITLE of the thread - it's about men polluting....

So is it possible for someone o be inspired by God, and therefore infallible, and not know it?

No. The whole idea of 'infallibility' came from somewhere else besides God or His Word. (from somewhere pagan and evil at its source, apparently)