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All words are made up

Homophobia describes the very real hate that some people engage in

Homophobia is a junk word and is meaningless.

nor do you call them diseased or sick or perverts or abominations

All sin is perversion.

comparing LGBT people to adulterers and liars is a fine example of homophobia

It's a proper comparison because all of it is sin. It's an example of sinful behaviour.

you are expressing hatred right here.

Nope

and more hate

Nope again.

And once again you prove the point how authoritarian you are.

You are therefore cancelled.
 
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Wait, network TV is still a thing?
Commercials. Do those still happen?

I could not tolerate having my show interrupted all the time by pitches for consumer crap.
 
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All words are made up

Homophobia describes the very real hate that some people engage in

nor do you call them diseased or sick or perverts or abominations

comparing LGBT people to adulterers and liars is a fine example of homophobia

you are expressing hatred right here.


and more hate
I don't think anyone should be harassed or discriminated against. If you look back at our history LGBT people have been discriminated against, outcast, harassed and even murdered like Matthew Shepard, you are right about that. But things have changed. The issue was free speech. As long as you have free speech there will always be people who say things most of us think are incorrigible. Making a swastika out of gay pride flags was a stupid thing to do but should someone be arrested for that?
 
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Commercials. Do those still happen?

I could not tolerate having my show interrupted all the time by pitches for consumer crap.

No kidding. I hate that. That's why I DVR anything I want to see so I can fast forward through them.
 
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No kidding. I hate that. That's why I DVR anything I want to see so I can fast forward through them.
Streaming only here. No cable or broadcast available. I could get a dish I suppose, but streaming seems to have surpassed the networks in average show quality. Plus its all on demand.
 
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Streaming only here. No cable or broadcast available. I could get a dish I suppose, but streaming seems to have surpassed the networks in average show quality. Plus its all on demand.
Sling for me. It was Hulu but Sling is half as much
 
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....There are two different ways to think about "funny". You must mean "something that personally makes me laugh" which is the most subjective way to approach it. Or we could mean "something that is likely to elicit laughter in humans" which has a much more objective basis. There is a science to crafting jokes and if a person appreciates the craft that doesn't say anything about that person's views on social issues.
The content aspect of humor is not just about me.

There's all kinds of cringey stuff that most of a room would reject, even if the format followed the "objective joke science".
 
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There are always going to be bigots or haters. You support tossing them in jail.

I think we all know who the real intolerant person is and who the real authoritarian is.
It's the same person - Trump right? Give me a high five.
 
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I don't think anyone should be harassed or discriminated against. If you look back at our history LGBT people have been discriminated against, outcast, harassed and even murdered like Matthew Shepard, you are right about that. But things have changed. The issue was free speech. As long as you have free speech there will always be people who say things most of us think are incorrigible. Making a swastika out of gay pride flags was a stupid thing to do but should someone be arrested for that?

That's very true. LGBTQ people should be left alone. They shouldn't be assaulted, murdered, fired (unless it's a religious organization where they are not living the organizations values), they shouldn't be denied housing.

You are right the Crux of the issue here is the authoritarian actions and support from the left against free speech. How many times have conservatives been called racists or Nazis. Yet we never expressed that people who did that should be toss s in prison for it.

This is how far it's gone. It won't be surprising if and when it makes it's way here. We are already using government to punish those who disagree.
 
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That's an easy sentiment to hold until your view is the one that gets classified as "antisocial."

We really only need the sheriff with his gun to get involved when "gather a crowd and run" starts to happen.
I'm not a hater, I'm tolerant and accepting of diversity and people's right to autonomy.
I have no interest in people's consentual sex activities, no interest in what clothes a person wears or what their religious beliefs are, or what gender they choose to be referred to as. I respect that people can make these choices for themselves.
But I recognise that there are others who will attack people for these things.
I'm fully supportive in efforts to protect people from these haters. Society needs to band together and protect it's minorities.

Just because a person isn't knocking on doors and organising people into a lynching, doesn't mean they aren't doing great amounts of damage to society by publicly posting hate. Keep your hate to yourself. Fester in it at home, wallow in a cespool of hate of your own making, but leave that at the door. When you go out (or venture onto the internet) anywhere in society, put your brave happy face on and be nice and kind to others, regardless if those others are living the lifestyle you approve of or not. Society wan't built for you to control, society is a diverse collection of people, most of which aren't YOU. and don't think like YOU.
 
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The flag is a celebration and symbol of the sin. Gay pride, Trans pride.
The flag is “we exist” and “they exist and we support their existence”.
Everyone is welcome into the kingdom because everyone is lost. But repentance is required to be part of the kingdom. Which means recognizing we've been wrong and changing our minds on these things to recognize them as soon and stop doing it.
The “Kingdom” is not of this world, we folk (who are of this world and who do not recognize this “Kingdom” as a valid goal nor something to be desired) outnumber your in-group but you want our society to reflect this Kingdom because you get good real-estate in the next life?

Church discipline is critical as Paul points out.
Agreed, keep it in the church.

Homophobia is a made up word to disparage the understanding that homosexuality is sin. Its one sin that gets a tag. We also believe lying is a sin, adultery is a sin, fornication is a sin, stealing is a sin etc. But it are not called

Homicidaphobes
Thiefaphobes
Liaraphobes
Adulteraphobes etc

We are also not accused of hating those that do such things either.
Please name a word that existed before human beings made it up, (I’ll even spot you “logos”).
It's because LGBT is unique in that they do not want to be viewed as wrong. We don't see a large societal push from adulterers or liars to be seen as in the right. We don't see liar pride or adultery pride flags and marches. We don't see books extolling the virtues of lying and adultery given to children. We don't see schools educating kids that thievery is normal and wonderful and if say something against stealing you are just a hater.
“You’re using love wrongly”, well that’s a matter of opinion, innit?
For your side, there’s “one man, one woman (at a time) (unless you’re FLDS)” and anything else is sin.
You’re locked in a duality of your own making. Other folk aren’t, and should we choose to live in a country that recognizes this freedom from your religion, we will fight to do so.

We DO NOT HATE people. WE DO HATE things that destroy lives and ruin people. Kids, families and individuals all suffer from this sin, mentally and physically and emotionally. WE DO HATE an ideology that seeks to teach children that these destructive things are normal and good.
Your attempts at indoctrination of the adult humans of this Nation is noted. (Hint: it’s failing)
 
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I'm not a hater, I'm tolerant and accepting of diversity and people's right to autonomy.
I have no interest in people's consentual sex activities, no interest in what clothes a person wears or what their religious beliefs are, or what gender they choose to be referred to as. I respect that people can make these choices for themselves.
But I recognise that there are others who will attack people for these things.
I'm fully supportive in efforts to protect people from these haters. Society needs to band together and protect it's minorities.

Just because a person isn't knocking on doors and organising people into a lynching, doesn't mean they aren't doing great amounts of damage to society by publicly posting hate. Keep your hate to yourself. Fester in it at home, wallow in a cespool of hate of your own making, but leave that at the door. When you go out (or venture onto the internet) anywhere in society, put your brave happy face on and be nice and kind to others, regardless if those others are living the lifestyle you approve of or not. Society wan't built for you to control, society is a diverse collection of people, most of which aren't YOU. and don't think like YOU.

That's an easy sentiment to hold until your view is the one that gets classified as "antisocial."
 
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That's an easy sentiment to hold until your view is the one that gets classified as "antisocial."
I don't mind people being "antisocial", people can spend their time in the basement hiding away from people if they want.

But verbally attacking minorities, especially a minority group that has a track record of a high suicide rate. That's dangerous right? Going up to someone who is already feeling down and picking on them (publicly), being mean to them, publicly shaming them. Do you think that might contribute to suicides?
 
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The “Kingdom” is not of this world, we folk (who are of this world and who do not recognize this “Kingdom” as a valid goal nor something to be desired) outnumber your in-group but you want our society to reflect this Kingdom because you get good real-estate in the next life?

We know society cannot and will not reflect the Kingdom. No one is asking it to.
Agreed, keep it in the church.

Agreed. I don't think anyone here has asked that LGBTQ people be disciplined. That's you guys calling for punishment.
 
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Please name a word that existed before human beings made it up, (I’ll even spot you “logos”).

I think you missed the point.

You’re using love wrongly”, well that’s a matter of opinion, innit?
For your side, there’s “one man, one woman (at a time) (unless you’re FLDS)” and anything else is sin.
You’re locked in a duality of your own making. Other folk aren’t, and should we choose to live in a country that recognizes this freedom from your religion, we will fight to do so.

Be my guest. Your doing it now. Shouldn't be a surprise when a tradition thousands of years old is attacked that some would take objection to it.

Your attempts at indoctrination of the adult humans of this Nation is noted. (Hint: it’s failing)

It does appear that up until now your indoctrination is winning. I'll give you that. But I think you are starting to lose ground. It usually does when you go from "you should be nice to LGBTQ people" to "you shall be punished severely if you don't accept and agree and allow your children to be indoctrinated as well."
 
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The flag is a celebration and symbol of the sin. Gay pride, Trans pride.
A lot of people don't believe in the Christian concept of sin. The flag isn't an ANTI Christian flag. It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has nothing to do with the Christian concept of sin.
The flag is meant as a symbol of a minority group to say, we exist and we don't need to hide.


Everyone is welcome into the kingdom because everyone is lost. But repentance is required to be part of the kingdom.
Keep this to a church discussion or to someone who is interested in Christian concepts and discussions. It really doesn't make sense to run around telling people outside your group about this, especially if they are not interested.

Which means recognizing we've been wrong and changing our minds on these things to recognize them as soon and stop doing it.
Perhaps some Christians have a concept of what is right and wrong and perhaps this differs from what others thing. If someone asks you what Christians might think is wrong, then go ahead and tell them. If they don't ask, then maybe they are not interested in what Christians think about this topic. It's already well known anyway, why the need to hassle people that aren't part of your group and don't believe in your moral rules?
I don't go around telling people the rules of cricket, and telling people off (or shaming them) when they are not conforming to these rules. I , at least have the awareness to know that not everyone is into cricket and don't care about the rules of cricket.
REMEMBER, not everyone is a Christian. Your rules don't apply to them, they don't care about your rules.


Homophobia is a made up word to disparage the understanding that homosexuality is sin.
No, it's a word, a label, for people who are mean to this minority group. It might be a "sin" in your Christian circles, but who outside of this Christian group cares? Keep it to yourself.


It's because LGBT is unique in that they do not want to be viewed as wrong.
They just want to be left alone and not judged. In society we don't criminalise people for doing consentual acts that don't hurt others. Law is not there to force Christian beliefs onto people.
Just be nice, its not hard.

We DO NOT HATE people.
This thread proves otherwise, and I would suggest that perhaps the hate and bigotry in the name of Christianity portrayed by some people towards gays is significantly contributing towards people turning away from Christianity.
 
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