Man Arrested for Causing Trans Anxiety

[ozso]

I wish we could all keep our sins outside the church. We carry them with us until we repent of them. I think if you and your church feel a rainbow is a symbol of LGBTQ and you want to make it clear it will not be tolerated, you definitely shouldn't have the rainbow flag. Some see the rainbow as inclusion. If all you mean by it is "everyone is included" I don't see anything wrong with it.

The rainbow flag should have been about inclusion. However it got commandeered by LGBTTQQIAAP+ to represent Gay Pride. The idea with Gay Pride is that one is proud of it. That's the problem. It's not supposed to be recognized as sin, it's supposed to be a matter of pride.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't mind people being "antisocial", people can spend their time in the basement hiding away from people if they want.

But verbally attacking minorities, especially a minority group that has a track record of a high suicide rate. That's dangerous right? Going up to someone who is already feeling down and picking on them (publicly), being mean to them, publicly shaming them. Do you think that might contribute to suicides?

If you're talking about a specific individual, yes. Well, even in that case, maybe...depending on what that individual has personally done.

But being critical of a group, not so much.

For instance, I have nothing to say about white people who point out the astonishingly high level of black men murdering other blacks, particularly black women. Are we black males a minority group? Yes. But is pointing out activity that black makes indisputedly engage in "picking on us?"

No, it's not.

Despite the rate of black male suicide (not even including "suicide by cop") is exceedingly high, it's not "picking on us, being mean to us, publicly shaming us" to point out that our rate of committing murder is absurd.

It's not "picking on us, being mean to us, publicly shaming us" to point out that our rate of unwed mothers is exceedingly high.

It's not "picking on us, being mean to us, publicly shaming us" to point out that the rate of obesity among black women is exceedingly high.

It's not "picking on us, being mean to us, publicly shaming us" if it's true.

Back in the Civil Rights days--I remember them, I was in marches myself--we wanted equal treatment under the law. We did not expect white people to like us...we certainly did not expect white people to "celebrate blackness."

Nor did we even expect white people to stop talking bad about us. Heck, it was only just a couple of years earlier that white people were bombing our churches and buses and getting away with it.

If someone had suggested that we should push for blackness to be "celebrated," we'd have laughed at the thought. "That ain't gonna happen!"

 

[rjs330]

lot of people don't believe in the Christian concept of sin. The flag isn't an ANTI Christian flag. It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has nothing to do with the Christian concept of sin.
The flag is meant as a symbol of a minority group to say, we exist and we don't need to hide.

I know they don't. And I don't believe anyone said or thinks it's an anti-christian flag. But it is a flag that celebrates LGBTQ and is about the pride and celebration of it.

Keep this to a church discussion or to someone who is interested in Christian concepts and discussions. It really doesn't make sense to run around telling people outside your group about this, especially if they are not interested.

Why? That's not what Christ told us to do.

No, it's a word, a label, for people who are mean to this minority group. It might be a "sin" in your Christian circles, but who outside of this Christian group cares? Keep it to yourself.

Can't do that. Shouldn't do that. And it's not mean to let people drive off a cliff without warning them. Then it's on them if they decide otherwise.

It's no.more "mean" than telling people to keep it to themselves. It's even more mean to trans children and encourage them that boys can be girls and it's okay to chemically castrate yourself and chop off body parts.

They just want to be left alone and not judged. In society we don't criminalise people for doing consentual acts that don't hurt others. Law is not there to force Christian beliefs onto people.
Just be nice, its not hard.

Fine then keep it to yourself and stop trying to influence children and mutilate them.

This thread proves otherwise, and I would suggest that perhaps the hate and bigotry in the name of Christianity portrayed by some people towards gays is significantly contributing towards people turning away from Christianity.

No that's not what does it. It's that people love darkness rather than light. Jesus said we would be hated for it. We accept that's the case.

 

[grasping the after wind]

and what was the intent of the swastika?

I don't know anything about the people that did this in the UK, but my best guess anout their intent would be that the intent was to contend that there is a strong similarity in methods of intimidation and authoritarianism between the NAZI party and the radicals in the LGBTetc movement. That is usually what people that tie NAZI symbolism to the symbolism of another political movement are contending.

 

[stevil]

I know they don't. And I don't believe anyone said or thinks it's an anti-christian flag. But it is a flag that celebrates LGBTQ and is about the pride and celebration of it.

Yes, it is about these people celebrating that they exist and that they are not alone and that they don't need to hide, and that they shouldn't be ashamed about who they are and how they feel.
Nothing about celebrating a sin.

Why? That's not what Christ told us to do.

People are well aware that some Christians believe that it is a sin.
You don't need to keep poking and prodding and hassling people, especially if those people don't belong to your group, don't believe in your list of sins and perhaps don't believe in sin at all.
By attacking or hassling a minority, you are just portraying your own group as a hate group. Can't you instead learn to get along with others, and be accepting rather than judgemental?
I doubt there are any phrases from Jesus in the bible saying to hound and hassle gays and go out of your way to tell the they are wrong and sinners. I understand Paul/Saul was homophobic but I don't know about Jesus.

Can't do that. Shouldn't do that. And it's not mean to let people drive off a cliff without warning them. Then it's on them if they decide otherwise.

There is no cliff. They already know some people's Christian position about gay = sin. You don't need to tell them again.
Certainly going out of one's way to make a swastika on the rainbow flag and publicly post it, doesn't seem to be friendly or amicable.

It's no.more "mean" than telling people to keep it to themselves.

Really?
You find I am being mean by suggesting you keep your hate to yourself and not put out your hate on the LGQBT community.
And you find that more mean than people hunting down LGQBT people, and hassling them and hounding them, telling them they are sinners and going to hell and that they need to change their ways??

It's even more mean to trans children and encourage them that boys can be girls and it's okay to chemically castrate yourself and chop off body parts.

I have never tried to convince a boy to be a girl. I have never tried to convince a boy to castrate himself. What are you talking about???

Fine then keep it to yourself and stop trying to influence children and mutilate them.

I've never done that.

No that's not what does it. It's that people love darkness rather than light. Jesus said we would be hated for it. We accept that's the case.

Darkness and light nonsense. Who care's about the Christian concepts like this?
Just be nice to people, why is that too hard?
Stop being judgy, stop hassling people, stop shaming them.
Just be nice.

 

[Pommer]

Really?
You find I am being mean by suggesting you keep your hate to yourself and not put out your hate on the LGQBT community.
And you find that more mean than people hunting down LGQBT people, and hassling them and hounding them, telling them they are sinners and going to hell and that they need to change their ways??

“The righteous” are often surprised that their version of righteousness isn’t “popular”; this “persecution” is the price they pay, (gladly?, not so much).

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, it is about these people celebrating that they exist and that they are not alone and that they don't need to hide, and that they shouldn't be ashamed about who they are and how they feel.
Nothing about celebrating a sin.


People are well aware that some Christians believe that it is a sin.
You don't need to keep poking and prodding and hassling people, especially if those people don't belong to your group, don't believe in your list of sins and perhaps don't believe in sin at all.
By attacking or hassling a minority, you are just portraying your own group as a hate group. Can't you instead learn to get along with others, and be accepting rather than judgemental?
I doubt there are any phrases from Jesus in the bible saying to hound and hassle gays and go out of your way to tell the they are wrong and sinners. I understand Paul/Saul was homophobic but I don't know about Jesus.


There is no cliff. They already know some people's Christian position about gay = sin. You don't need to tell them again.
Certainly going out of one's way to make a swastika on the rainbow flag and publicly post it, doesn't seem to be friendly or amicable.


Really?
You find I am being mean by suggesting you keep your hate to yourself and not put out your hate on the LGQBT community.
And you find that more mean than people hunting down LGQBT people, and hassling them and hounding them, telling them they are sinners and going to hell and that they need to change their ways??



I have never tried to convince a boy to be a girl. I have never tried to convince a boy to castrate himself. What are you talking about???



I've never done that.



Darkness and light nonsense. Who care's about the Christian concepts like this?
Just be nice to people, why is that too hard?
Stop being judgy, stop hassling people, stop shaming them.
Just be nice.

Where are LGBTQ people being hunted down? Certainly it's better now than it's ever been for them in the US. You might want to keep in mind that this is a Christian forum when you are dispensing advice to Christians. No one I know believes LGBTQ should be discriminated against or mistreated. They have gone through horrible things in the past but now enjoy more acceptance and representation in media and government than they ever have. It is not Christian to hate or mistreat people. We may believe differently but forcing your beliefs on others doesn't work, from either side of the issue.

 

[SilverBear]

Homophobia is a junk word and is meaningless.

you know exactly what it means...so i guess it can't be meaningless

All sin is perversion.

doesn't change the fact that you call a minority diseased and many other hateful things

It's a proper comparison because all of it is sin. It's an example of sinful behaviour.

its hate pure and simple

Nope

if you were saying the same things about black people it would rightly be called hate.
If you were saying the same thing about Jews it would be called hate
Hate doesn't magically change into something else when you apply it to a differnt group of people. it is still hate.

 

[SilverBear]

Sorry you've been cancelled cause you didn't read the article.

i did. and you still can't name three lgbt main characters on national television...because there aren't any

 

[BPPLEE]

i did. and you still can't name three lgbt main characters on national television...because there aren't any

The L Word and Queer As Folk come to mind and I don't even watch television

 

[SilverBear]

I don't think anyone should be harassed or discriminated against. If you look back at our history LGBT people have been discriminated against, outcast, harassed and even murdered like Matthew Shepard, you are right about that. But things have changed.

wait...do you really think LGBT people aren't being killed today?

Making a swastika out of gay pride flags was a stupid thing to do but should someone be arrested for that?

He was actually charged with non compliance with sentencing for the swastika incident

 

[SilverBear]

That's very true. LGBTQ people should be left alone. They shouldn't be assaulted, murdered, fired (unless it's a religious organization where they are not living the organizations values), they shouldn't be denied housing.

yet they are.

You are right the Crux of the issue here is the authoritarian actions and support from the left against free speech. How many times have conservatives been called racists or Nazis.

how many times have LGBT people been called pedophiles perverts or diseased?

 

[BPPLEE]

wait...do you really think LGBT people aren't being killed today?



He was actually charged with non compliance with sentencing for the swastika incident

LGBTQ are being killed in the US? And I don't mean that speculation that suicides are really murders.

 

[rturner76]

Everyone is welcome into the kingdom because everyone is lost. But repentance is required to be part of the kingdom. Which means recognizing we've been wrong and changing our minds on these things to recognize them as soon and stop doing it.

I'm just wondering why so many want homosexuals to repent and are silent on the sins of pride, greed, and adultery to name a few. I always thought that the best place to combat sin is in the church. I don't know if we can expect homosexuals to reform if we don't allow them in church. Many feel rejected by God's church and thereby, also by God. I'm not saying condone it just condone the people who struggle with it.

Homophobia is a made up word to disparage the understanding that homosexuality is sin. Its one sin that gets a tag. We also believe lying is a sin, adultery is a sin, fornication is a sin, stealing is a sin etc. But it are not called

Try a dictionary. It's not made up, it's in the English language dictionary.

We DO NOT HATE people. WE DO HATE things that destroy lives and ruin people. Kids, families and individuals all suffer from this sin, mentally and physically and emotionally. WE DO HATE an ideology that seeks to teach children that these destructive things are normal and good.

I'm sure most people hate things that destroy lives. I don't see how homosexuality destroys lives more than any other sin.

 

[SilverBear]

The rainbow flag should have been about inclusion. However it got commandeered by LGBTTQQIAAP+ to represent Gay Pride. The idea with Gay Pride is that one is proud of it. That's the problem. It's not supposed to be recognized as sin, it's supposed to be a matter of pride.

a gay friend of mind once described gay pride as meaning "I'm proud of who I am and I refuse to live in fear and shame because some people choose to hate me."

 

[rturner76]

The rainbow flag should have been about inclusion. However it got commandeered by LGBTTQQIAAP+ to represent Gay Pride. The idea with Gay Pride is that one is proud of it. That's the problem. It's not supposed to be recognized as sin, it's supposed to be a matter of pride.

There are churches that have turned to that, even employing openly gay clergy. I can't speak for their doctrine but my church still calls it a sin but the caveat is kind of that The Church does welcome sinners who sincerely seek God. Often, the relationship with God must be established so God can work with the sinner "unto" repentance.

If you turn them away at the door, they could miss their calling

 

[SilverBear]

If you're talking about a specific individual, yes. Well, even in that case, maybe...depending on what that individual has personally done.

But being critical of a group, not so much.

For instance, I have nothing to say about white people who point out the astonishingly high level of black men murdering other blacks, particularly black women. Are we black males a minority group? Yes. But is pointing out activity that black makes indisputedly engage in "picking on us?"

No, it's not.

why don't you have something to say.

How about saying that those astonishing levels are only found for those living below the poverty line. Middle class African AMerican's are not killing in any numbers grater than white middle class people. How about pointing out the simple fact that poverty is the problem not skin color.

 

[SilverBear]

I don't know anything about the people that did this in the UK, but my best guess anout their intent would be that the intent was to contend that there is a strong similarity in methods of intimidation and authoritarianism between the NAZI party and the radicals in the LGBTetc movement. That is usually what people that tie NAZI symbolism to the symbolism of another political movement are contending.

if that is the case then that man really is a sick and horrible person

 

[BPPLEE]

why don't you have something to say.

How about saying that those astonishing levels are only found for those living below the poverty line. Middle class African AMerican's are not killing in any numbers grater than white middle class people. How about pointing out the simple fact that poverty is the problem not skin color.

Actually it's growing up in a home without a father more than it is poverty.

 

[SilverBear]

Where are LGBTQ people being hunted down? Certainly it's better now than it's ever been for them in the US.

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